In earlier
posts we learned about two kinds of stress:-
Here
are the key words we need to understand:-
Thanks to Wikipedia I have presented a summary.
A neuron
is a cell that processes and transmits information through electrical and
chemical signals. A chemical signal occurs via a synapse a specialized
connection with other cells. Neurons connect to each other to form neural
networks. Neurons are the core components of the CNS (Central Nervous System),
which includes the brain and spinal cord. A number of specialized types of
neurons exist: sensory neurons respond to touch, sound, light and numerous
other stimuli affecting cells of the sensory organs that then send signals to
the spinal cord and brain. Motor neurons receive signals from the brain and
spinal cord, cause muscle contractions, and affect glansa. Interneurons connect
neurons to other neurons within the same region of the brain or spinal cord.
The two most common neurotransmitters in the brain, and GABA, have actions that are largely consistent. Glutamate acts on several different types of receptors, and have effects that are excitatory at ionotropic receptors and a modulatory effect at metabotropic receptors. Similarly GABA acts on several different types of receptors, but all of them have effects (in adult animals, at least) that are inhibitory. Because of this consistency, it is common for neuroscientists to simplify the terminology by referring to cells that release glutamate as "excitatory neurons," and cells that release GABA as "inhibitory neurons." Since over 90% of the neurons in the brain release either glutamate or GABA, these labels encompass the great majority of neurons.
GABA is very important in autism and we will return to it in greater depth when we will look at the three types of GABA receptors.
3. Glial cells
Glial cells are non-neuronal cells that maintain homeostasis and provide support and protection for neurons in the brain, and for neurons in other parts of the nervous system such as in the autonomic nervous system.
Four main functions of glial cells have been identified:
Functions
Some glial cells function primarily as the physical support for neurons. Others regulate the internal environment of the brain, especially the fluid surrounding neurons and their synapses, and nutrify neurons. During early embryogenesis glial cells direct the migration of neurons and produce molecules that modify the growth of axons and dendrites. Recent research indicates that glial cells of the hippocampus and cerebellum participate in synaptic transmission, regulate the clearance of neurotransmitters from the synaptic cleft, and release gliotransmitters such as ATP, which modulate synaptic function.
Glial cells were not believed to have chemical synapses or to release transmitters. They were considered to be the passive bystanders of neural transmission. However, recent studies have shown this to be untrue. For example, astrocytes are crucial in clearance of neurotransmitters from within the synaptic cleft, which provides distinction between arrivals of action potentials and prevents toxic build-up of certain neurotransmitters such as glutamate (excitotoxicity). It is also thought that glia play a role in many neurological diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease. Furthermore, at least in vitro, astrocytes can release gliotransmitter glutamate in response to certain stimulation.
Glia have a role in the regulation of repair of neurons after injury. In the CNA (Central Nervous System), glia suppress repair. Glial cells known as astrocytes enlarge and proliferate to form a scar and produce inhibitory molecules that inhibit regrowth of a damaged or severed axon. In the PNS (Peripheral Nervous System), glial cells known as Schwann cells promote repair. After axonal injury, Schwann cells regress to an earlier developmental state to encourage regrowth of the axon. This difference between PNS and PNS raises hopes for the regeneration of nervous tissue in the CNS. For example a spinal cord may be able to be repaired following injury or severance.
Research since the mid-1990s has shown that astrocytes propagate intercellular Ca2+- waves over long distances in response to stimulation, and, similar to neurons, release transmitters (called gliotransmitters) in a Ca2+-dependent manner. Data suggest that astrocytes also signal to neurons through Ca2+-dependent release of glutamate. Such discoveries have made astrocytes an important area of research within the field of neuroscience..
Previously in medical science, the neuronal network was considered the only important one, and astrocytes were looked upon as gap fillers. More recently, the function of astrocytes has been reconsidered, and are now thought to play a number of active roles in the brain, including the secretion or absorption of neural transmitters and maintenance of the blood–brain barrier. Following on this idea the concept of a "tripartite synapse" has been proposed, referring to the tight relationship occurring at synapses among a presynaptic element, a postsynaptic element and a glial element.
Cytokines are small signaling molecules used for cell
signaling. The term cytokine encompasses
a large and diverse family of regulators produced throughout the body by cells
of diverse embryological origin.
The term cytokine has been used to refer to the immunomodulating agents, such as interleukins and interferons. Biochemists disagree as to which molecules should be termed cytokines and which hormones. As we learn more about each, anatomic and structural distinctions between the two are fading. Classic protein hormones circulate in nanomolar (10-9M) concentrations that usually vary by less than one order of magnitude. In contrast, some cytokines (such as IL-6) circulate in picomolar (10-12M) concentrations that can increase up to 1,000-fold during trauma or infection. The widespread distribution of cellular sources for cytokines may be a feature that differentiates them from hormones. Virtually all nucleated cells, but especially endo/epithelial cells and resident macrophages (many near the interface with the external environment) are potent producers of IL-1, IL-6, and TNF-a. In contrast, classic hormones, such as insulin, are secreted from discrete glands (e.g., the pancreas). As of 2008, the current terminology refers to cytokines as immunomodulating agents. However, more research is needed in this area of defining cytokines and hormones.
Part of the difficulty with distinguishing cytokines from hormones is that some of the immunomodulating effects of cytokines are systemic rather than local. Further, as molecules, cytokines are not limited to their immunomodulatory role. For instance, cytokines are also involved in several developmental processes during embyrogenesis.
The proposed benefits are in the treatment of:-
This data suggest that components of Magnolia could be used for treating anxiety, and its effect may be linked to GABA receptor/Cl− channel activation.
- Oxidative stress is a biological stress that is measurable (GSH redox) and has been shown to be present in most autistic people.
- Psychological stress is a feeling we experience in difficult situations and is measurable by sampling the level of the hormone cortisol in saliva.
It would
appear that both types of stress are interrelated.
We have
already established that oxidative stress in autism can be successfully be treated
with NAC. NAC acts both as an
anti-oxidant in its own right and as a precursor chemical to form GSH, the
body’s own antioxidant. NAC is cheap and
widely available.
The
scientific literature regarding autism includes many references to inflammation
of the brain, or neuroinflammation. It turns out that this inflammation is
also measurable. When samples of
cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) are taken, elevated levels of chemicals called
cytokines are found. Certain cytokines
are markers for neuroinflammation, such as TGF-ß1 and MCP-1.
In studies at Johns Hopkins, a leading teaching hospital in the US, they have tested all
their autistic research subjects for neuroinflammation and they all tested
positive. It also appears that this is
the result of on-going damage to the brain, not residual damage from the
pre-natal or early post natal period.
Such damage was exhibited in autistic subjects of all ages. These researchers were also able to locate
the part of the brain most affected by neuroinflammation.
“Our
study showed the cerebellum exhibited the most prominent neuroglial responses.
The marked neuroglial activity in the cerebellum is consistent with previous
observations that the cerebellum is a major focus of pathological abnormalities
in microscopic and neuroimaging studies of patients with autism. Based on our
observations, selective processes of neuronal degeneration and neuroglial
activation appear to occur predominantly in the Purkinje cell layer (PCL) and
granular cell layer (GCL) areas of the cerebellum in autistic subjects. These
findings are consistent with an active and on-going postnatal process of
neurodegeneration and neuroinflammation.”
There are
numerous other researchers who concur with these findings; the problem is that
they do not take the logical next step of finding how to reduce this
inflammation. Indeed John’s Hopkins go
as far as to tell us
“At
present, THERE IS NO indication for using anti-inflammatory medications in
patients with autism. Immunomodulatory or anti-inflammatory medications such as
steroids (e.g. prednisone or methylprednisolone), immunosupressants (e.g.
Azathioprine, methotrexate, cyclophosphamide) or modulators of immune reactions
(e.g. intravenous immunoglobulins, IVIG) WOULD NOT HAVE a significant effect on
neuroglial activation because these drugs work mostly on adaptive immunity by
reducing the production of immunoglobulins, decreasing the production of T
cells and limiting the infiltration of inflammatory cells into areas of tissue
injury. Our study demonstrated NO EVIDENCE at all for these types of immune
reactions. There are on-going experimental studies to examine the effect of
drugs that limit the activation of microglia and astrocytes, but their use in
humans must await further evidence of their efficacy and safety”
A very interesting paper is called: Reactive oxygen species up-regulate CD11b in microgliavia nitric oxide: Implications for neurodegenerative diseases.
Here the researchers were experimenting with various
chemical including NAC as an antioxidant.
“Activation of microglia has been
implicated in the pathogenesis of a variety of neurodegenerative diseases,
including Alzheimer's disease (AD), Parkinson's disease (PD), Creutzfeld-Jacob
disease, HIV-associated dementia (HAD), stroke, and multiple sclerosis (MS) .
It has been found that activated microglia accumulate at sites of injury or plaques
in neurodegenerative CNS. Although activated microglia scavenge dead cells from
the CNS and secrete different neurotropic factors for neuronal survival, it is
believed that severe activation causes inflammatory responses leading to neuronal
death and brain injury. During activation, microglia secretes various
neurotoxic molecules and express different proteins and surface markers.
Although microglia populate only 2
to 3% of total brain cells in a healthy human being, the number increases up to
12 to 15% during different neurodegenerative diseases. Microglial activation is
always associated with neuronal inflammation and ultimately neuronal apoptosis.
Although microglial activation may not be always bad as it has an important
repairing function as well, once microglia become activated in
neurodegenerating microenvironment, it always goes beyond control and
eventually detrimental effects override beneficial effects. Therefore, microglial
activation is a hallmark of different neurodegenerative diseases and
understanding underlying mechanisms for microglial activation is an important
area of study. “
Another piece of research that looked at activated
microglia in a neurological condition (this time Alzheimer’s disease) also used NAC as an antioxidant and
anti-inflammatory agent.
Now,
to better understand the terminology and the science, a little bit of biology
would be useful. If you wish to skip
this part, you can go forward a few pages to the part where I look at practical
steps that seem likely to reduce neuroinflammation.
- Neurons
- Neurotransmitters
- Glial cells
- Microglia
- Astrocytes or astroglia
- Cytokenes
Thanks to Wikipedia I have presented a summary.
2. Neurotransmitters - interaction between neurons
A neuron affects other neurons by releasing a
neurotransmitter that binds to chemical receptors. The effect upon the
postsynaptic neuron is determined not by the presynaptic neuron or by the
neurotransmitter, but by the type of receptor that is activated. A
neurotransmitter can be thought of as a key, and a receptor as a lock: the same
type of key can here be used to open many different types of locks. Receptors
can be classified broadly as excitatory (causing an increase in firing
rate), inhibitory (causing a decrease in firing rate), or modulatory
(causing long-lasting effects not directly related to firing rate).The two most common neurotransmitters in the brain, and GABA, have actions that are largely consistent. Glutamate acts on several different types of receptors, and have effects that are excitatory at ionotropic receptors and a modulatory effect at metabotropic receptors. Similarly GABA acts on several different types of receptors, but all of them have effects (in adult animals, at least) that are inhibitory. Because of this consistency, it is common for neuroscientists to simplify the terminology by referring to cells that release glutamate as "excitatory neurons," and cells that release GABA as "inhibitory neurons." Since over 90% of the neurons in the brain release either glutamate or GABA, these labels encompass the great majority of neurons.
GABA is very important in autism and we will return to it in greater depth when we will look at the three types of GABA receptors.
3. Glial cells
Glial cells are non-neuronal cells that maintain homeostasis and provide support and protection for neurons in the brain, and for neurons in other parts of the nervous system such as in the autonomic nervous system.
Four main functions of glial cells have been identified:
- To
surround neurons and hold them in place,
- To supply
nutrients and oxygen to neurons,
- To
insulate one neuron from another,
- To
destroy pathogens and remove dead neurons.
Functions
Some glial cells function primarily as the physical support for neurons. Others regulate the internal environment of the brain, especially the fluid surrounding neurons and their synapses, and nutrify neurons. During early embryogenesis glial cells direct the migration of neurons and produce molecules that modify the growth of axons and dendrites. Recent research indicates that glial cells of the hippocampus and cerebellum participate in synaptic transmission, regulate the clearance of neurotransmitters from the synaptic cleft, and release gliotransmitters such as ATP, which modulate synaptic function.
Glial cells were not believed to have chemical synapses or to release transmitters. They were considered to be the passive bystanders of neural transmission. However, recent studies have shown this to be untrue. For example, astrocytes are crucial in clearance of neurotransmitters from within the synaptic cleft, which provides distinction between arrivals of action potentials and prevents toxic build-up of certain neurotransmitters such as glutamate (excitotoxicity). It is also thought that glia play a role in many neurological diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease. Furthermore, at least in vitro, astrocytes can release gliotransmitter glutamate in response to certain stimulation.
Glia have a role in the regulation of repair of neurons after injury. In the CNA (Central Nervous System), glia suppress repair. Glial cells known as astrocytes enlarge and proliferate to form a scar and produce inhibitory molecules that inhibit regrowth of a damaged or severed axon. In the PNS (Peripheral Nervous System), glial cells known as Schwann cells promote repair. After axonal injury, Schwann cells regress to an earlier developmental state to encourage regrowth of the axon. This difference between PNS and PNS raises hopes for the regeneration of nervous tissue in the CNS. For example a spinal cord may be able to be repaired following injury or severance.
4. Microglia
Microglia are a type of glial cell that are the resident
macrophages of the brain and spinal cord, and thus act as the first and main
form of active immune defense in the CNS. Macrophages are highly specialized in
removal of dying or dead cells and cellular debris. This role is important in chronic inflammation, as the
early stages of inflammation are dominated by neutrophil granulocytes, which
are ingested by macrophages if they come of age.
Microglia constitute 20% of the total glial cell
population within the brain.]
Microglia (and astrocytes) are distributed in large non-overlapping regions
throughout the brain and spinal cord. Microglia are constantly scavenging the CNS
for plaques, damaged neurons and infectious agents. The brain and spinal cord
are considered "immune privileged" organs in that they are separated
from the rest of the body by a series of endothelial cells known as the blood
brain barrier (BBB), which prevents most infections from reaching the
vulnerable nervous tissue. In the case where infectious agents are directly
introduced to the brain or cross the blood–brain barrier, microglial cells must
react quickly to decrease inflammation and destroy the infectious agents before
they damage the sensitive neural tissue. Due to the unavailability of
antibodies from the rest of the body (few antibodies are small enough to cross
the blood brain barrier), microglia must be able to recognize foreign bodies,
swallow them, and act as antigen presenting cells activating T-cells. Since
this process must be done quickly to prevent potentially fatal damage,
microglia are extremely sensitive to even small pathological changes in the
CNS. They achieve this sensitivity in part by having unique
potassium channels that respond to even small changes in extracellular
potassium.
5. Astrocytes or astroglia,
Astrocytes or astroglia are characteristic star-shaped
glial cells in the brain and spinal cord. They are the most abundant cell of
the human brain. They perform many functions, including biochemical support of
endothelial cells that form the blood-brain barrier, provision of nutrients to
the nervous tissue, maintenance of extracellular ion balance, and a role in the
repair and scarring process of the brain and spinal cord following traumatic
injuries.Research since the mid-1990s has shown that astrocytes propagate intercellular Ca2+- waves over long distances in response to stimulation, and, similar to neurons, release transmitters (called gliotransmitters) in a Ca2+-dependent manner. Data suggest that astrocytes also signal to neurons through Ca2+-dependent release of glutamate. Such discoveries have made astrocytes an important area of research within the field of neuroscience..
Previously in medical science, the neuronal network was considered the only important one, and astrocytes were looked upon as gap fillers. More recently, the function of astrocytes has been reconsidered, and are now thought to play a number of active roles in the brain, including the secretion or absorption of neural transmitters and maintenance of the blood–brain barrier. Following on this idea the concept of a "tripartite synapse" has been proposed, referring to the tight relationship occurring at synapses among a presynaptic element, a postsynaptic element and a glial element.
- Structural:
They are involved in the physical structuring of the brain. Astrocytes get
their name because they are "star-shaped". They are the most
abundant glial cells in the brain that are closely associated with
neuronal synapses. They regulate the transmission of electrical impulses
within the brain.
- Glycogen
fuel reserve buffer: Astrocytes contain glycogen and are capable of
glycogenesis. The astrocytes next to neurons in the frontal cortex and
hippocampus store and release glycogen. Thus, Astrocytes can fuel neurons
with glucose during periods of high rate of glucose consumption and
glucose shortage. Recent research suggests there may be a connection
between this activity and exercise.
- Metabolic
support: They provide neurons with nutrients such as
lactate.
- Blood-brain barrier:
The astrocyte end-feet encircling endothelial cells were thought to aid in
the maintenance of the blood–brain barrier, but recent research indicates
that they do not play a substantial role; instead, it is the tight
junctions and basal lamina of the cerebral endothelial cells that play the
most substantial role in maintaining the barrier. However, it has recently
been shown that astrocyte activity is linked to blood flow in the brain,
and that this is what is actually being measured in fMRI.
- Transmitter
uptake and release: Astrocytes express plasma membrane transporters
such as glutamate transporters for several neurotransmitters, including
glutamate, ATP, and GABA. More recently, astrocytes were shown to release
glutamate or ATP in a vesicular, Ca2+-dependent manner.
- Regulation of ion
concentration in the extracellular space Astrocytes express potassium channels at a
high density. When neurons are active, they release potassium, increasing
the local extracellular concentration. Because astrocytes are highly
permeable to potassium, they rapidly clear the excess accumulation in the
extracellular space. If this function is interfered with, the
extracellular concentration of potassium will rise, leading to neuronal
depolarization by the Goldman equation. Abnormal accumulation of
extracellular potassium is well known to result in epileptic neuronal
activity.
- Vasomodulation: Astrocytes may serve as intermediaries in neuronal regulation of blood flow.
- Nervous
system repair: Upon injury to nerve cells within the central
nervous system, astrocytes fill up the space to form a glial scar,
repairing the area and replacing the CNS cells that cannot regenerate.
- Long-term
potentiation: Scientists continue to argue back and forth as to
whether or not astrocytes integrate learning and memory in the
hippocampus. It is known that glial cells are included in neuronal
synapses, but many of the LTP studies are performed on slices, so
scientists disagree on whether or not astrocytes have a direct role of
modulating synaptic plasticity.
The term cytokine has been used to refer to the immunomodulating agents, such as interleukins and interferons. Biochemists disagree as to which molecules should be termed cytokines and which hormones. As we learn more about each, anatomic and structural distinctions between the two are fading. Classic protein hormones circulate in nanomolar (10-9M) concentrations that usually vary by less than one order of magnitude. In contrast, some cytokines (such as IL-6) circulate in picomolar (10-12M) concentrations that can increase up to 1,000-fold during trauma or infection. The widespread distribution of cellular sources for cytokines may be a feature that differentiates them from hormones. Virtually all nucleated cells, but especially endo/epithelial cells and resident macrophages (many near the interface with the external environment) are potent producers of IL-1, IL-6, and TNF-a. In contrast, classic hormones, such as insulin, are secreted from discrete glands (e.g., the pancreas). As of 2008, the current terminology refers to cytokines as immunomodulating agents. However, more research is needed in this area of defining cytokines and hormones.
Part of the difficulty with distinguishing cytokines from hormones is that some of the immunomodulating effects of cytokines are systemic rather than local. Further, as molecules, cytokines are not limited to their immunomodulatory role. For instance, cytokines are also involved in several developmental processes during embyrogenesis.
Several inflammatory cytokines are induced by oxidant
stress. The fact that cytokines themselves trigger the release of other
cytokines and also lead to increased oxidant stress makes them important in
chronic inflammation, as well as other immunoresponses, such as fever and acute
phase proteins of the liver (IL-1,6,12, INF-a).
Practical Steps to reduce
neuroinflammation
Neuroscience
is both complex and an evolving science; much remains unknown and so often there
cannot be definite answers; rather judgements based on the balance of
probabilities.
What is clear
is that in autism we have oxidative stress and inflammation. There also appears to be a vicious circle
where the inflammation messenger itself makes that inflammation worse. In some cases, it is the oxidative stress
that triggers the inflammation; in other cases the inflammation may have other causes.
A more complex explanation relates to where
the signal to the microglia came from in the first place. Mast cells from the immune system are
proposed to be the source of this signal.
For the time
being let us focus on the simpler solution; that the anti-oxidant should also be
the anti-inflammatory agent. Surprise,
surprise, our friend NAC is being used in numerous studies as the anti-inflammatory
agent.
This is good
news for Monty; it may be that NAC is not just reducing his state of oxidative stress,
but gradually his neuroinflammation as well.
It certainly does seem to be doing him good. As indicated in the research, the effect of NAC seems to be highly dose dependent.
But not to
have all our eggs in one basket, it would be nice to have another
anti-neuroinflammatory agent. It seems
there is one at hand, but we have to look to the East to find it.
Obovatol
The bark of
the magnolia tree has been used in Korean, Chinese and Japanese medicine for more
than a thousand years. It seems that one
compound in particular within magnolia, obovatol, has powerful properties to
reduce neuroinflammation.
Here is a paper titled: Obovatol attenuates microglia-mediated neuroinflammation by modulating redox regulation
In another
paper
and another
This is all
experimental but it is clear that in theory at least, obovatol looks very
interesting.
For a wider
view of the medical properties of the magnolia family, there is an excellent
paper from Korea that reviews the possible mechanisms. Therapeutic applications of compounds in the Magnolia family
- cancer
- neuronal disease
- inflammatory disease
- cardiovascular disease
The four active compounds are:
- magnolol
- honokiol
- 4-O-methylhonokiol
- obovatol
Also, anxiolytic-like effects of obovatol
appeared to be mediated by the GABA benzodiazepine receptor Cl− channel opening
and obovatol potentiated pentobarbital-induced sleeping time through GABA receptors/Cl−
channel activation.
This data suggest that components of Magnolia could be used for treating anxiety, and its effect may be linked to GABA receptor/Cl− channel activation.
Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of Magnolia have
been reported to be associated with the suppression of NO production, the
expression of iNOS, IL-1β, TNF-α and COX, the generation of prostaglandins, thromboxanes
and leukotrienes, and the activation of MAPKs, AP-1 and NF-κB.
Magnolia Bark Extract
Magnolia bark
extract is extensively produced in China and sold inexpensively by the
supplement industry. The individual
compounds could be separated, as in the Korean research, but the extract that is sold is
just a mixture of what happened to be in that batch of bark. If you read the reviews, it seems that many
people experience a reduction in cortisol allowing them to sleep better;
reduced anxiety is widely reported. It even seems to stop some people snoring, which I am certainly all in favour of.
So while it
is far from the scientific basis on which you could use NAC, it would seem that
Magnolia bark extract will unlikely do harm and just might do some good as an
anti-neuroinflammatory agent. In about
20 years, the research will show whether you were wasting your money, or whether
you were a pioneering early-adopter.
I think I
will do some primary research on this one and be a pioneer.
Hi Alexandria, thank you very much for your comments and the link. I suppose when they started using Magnolia many hundreds of years ago they would not have been able to separate out obovatol, honokiol and magnolol and it seemed to work then, and so it should do now. Of course it would be best to separate them, but for now we do not have that option. The question remains how much you would need to have much effect. I have found with NAC that the dosage in supplements is far lower than you need to see the potential positive impact. In the recent Stanford trial the dose went up to 2.7 grams. The typical OTC NAC capsule has 0.6g ram and if you give that you will see no impact.
ReplyDeleteIn the country I live nobody sells Magnolia extract and so I have not yet tried it. I certainly intend to, since it seems to be safe. The only problem is that you cannot be sure 100% what is in it and whether each pack will have the same proportion of magnolol, honokiol, methylhonokiol, obovatol.
ReplyDeleteIf you have a preference for "natural" therapies that have a scientific basis, another one that looks interesting is the mixture of natural flavenoids proposed by Dr Theoharides called NeuroProtek. It is available in the US, but they will not ship it to most other countries. It is not cheap, but at least each pill has the same contents.
So far I have found that only synthetic drugs to be effective. I have friend with a very young son (under 3 years old) who is himself a doctor and gave his son NAC with great results. It seems to work well with all types of ASD and is cheap.
Let me know you results with Magnolia Extract.
Thank you Peter. Great information! I am currently giving my younger sons "PharmaNac 900mg" which is an effervescent Tablet and the kids love it. I can't say I've seen improvements and unfortunately I've seen regressions in my youngest, thus my continued search to help him.
ReplyDeleteThe Magnolia extract I was considering are between these brands: “HonoPure” by Econugenics, “Magnolia Extract” by either Nutricology or Allergy Research Group. Only because these were recommended by Suzy Cohen (http://www.dearpharmacist.com/2012/09/04/magnolia-bark-is-a-natural-tranquilizer/) But looking closer at the ingredients not all four ingredients are included as you mentioned (magnolol, honokiol, methylhonokiol, obovatol). Would you consider any of these?
Thank you so much for the additional information on Dr. Theoharides and since I live in the US I will be ordering NeuroProtek.
Thanks again!
- Sylvia
It looks like obovatol is the ingredient to look for, going by the Korean research.
ReplyDeleteSince you are using NAC, did you see the research done on NAC in Stanford? They used a dosage rising to 3 x 900mg a day. If you read about NAC, it seems to take a certain amount before any effect is measurable. My son takes 2x600 mg NAC twice a day, so 2,400mg in total. Since your kids love the NAC, why not try a few days at the higher dosage and see if you notice a change. It should give a better mood, less obsessions and for us, much more spontaneous speech, everyone noticed it. The less expensive NAC works just as well, and you will need a lot of it, if you raise the dose.
Peter- I found this NACA compound- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3387542/
ReplyDeleteN-acetylcysteine amide may indeed be better than NAC, because it better crosses the blood brain barrier. But you cannot but it, maybe one day that will change.
DeleteHi Peter
DeleteStarted Fluimucil 2400mg daily in divided dose. Started to see some promising signs.
I note the above posts - NACA sounds very interesting. Have you been able to find any since?
Also have you come across liposomal NAC?
Also with regards to alpha lipoic acid - I would like to try it as it readily crosses the BBB. Have you tried it? What of the concerns some people have (Andy Cutler) re redistribution of heavy metals?
Best wishes
Mashhood
Mashhood, N-acetylcysteine amide is part of the growing list of potential drugs that nobody develops.
DeleteThe main problem with NAC is that it is unstable and so the actual amount in your pill or tablet is much less than it says on the label.
People use all kinds of things like liposomal and transdermal to try and increase GSH. I use NAC Sustain and am very happy with it.
Where I live ALA is widely used to treat problems caused by diabetes. It is prescribed as a drug either oral or I/V. My father in law has taken I/V ALA for 20 years. I was telling Dr Frye about this.
ALA and NAC are both thiol antioxidants and do very very similar things. ALA might offer a benefit in autism and I did try it but saw no extra benefit. I have nothing against ALA, indeed at the moment I am myself taking ALA + PEA for neuropathy, a standard therapy in Italy, but unheard of by NICE/NHS.
I my opinion there is a lot of nonsense written about heavy metals. If you have chronic oxidative stress you lose the ability to excrete certain things from your body. Your body has a great built in system to expunge "toxins" and heavy metals, which you are going to pick up from the environment. Without GSH you cannot excrete the tiny amount of heavy metals you naturally pick up. As a result the levels of those metals will rise in your body.
People test for heavy metals in autism and draw the wrong conclusion.
Treat oxidative stress with NAC and you can forget about those heavy metals.