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Thursday, 3 October 2013

Biomarkers in Autism : The Cholinergic system – In need of caffeine & nicotine or maybe just choline

Strange as it may sound, but if you have ASD a strong cup of coffee and a cigarette may actually do you some good.  Following on from my earlier post about Serotonin, showing that LSD was seen as an effective therapy in the 1960s, you might be wondering where my blog is taking us.  I just follow the science, wherever it takes us.

First of all what is the Cholinergeric system.

Cholinergic system (a summary from Wikipedia)
Cholinergic typically refers to acetylcholine in the neurological sense.  The parasympathetic nervous system, which uses acetylcholine almost exclusively to send its messages, is said to be almost entirely cholinergic. Neuromuscular junctions, preganglionic neurons of the sympathetic nervous system, the basal forebrain, and brain stem complexes are also cholinergic

In neuroscience and related fields, the term cholinergic is used in the following related contexts:
  • A substance (or ligand) is cholinergic if it is capable of producing, altering, or releasing acetylcholine ("indirect-acting") or mimicking its behaviour at one or more of the body's acetylcholine receptor types ("direct-acting").
  • A receptor is cholinergic if it uses acetylcholine as its neurotransmitter.[2]
  • A synapse is cholinergic if it uses acetylcholine as its neurotransmitter.

Acetylcholine is one of many neurotransmitters in the autonomic nervous system (ANS). It acts on both the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and central nervous system (CNS) and is the only neurotransmitter used in the motor division of the somatic nervous system.

In the central nervous system, acetylcholine and the associated neurons form a neurotransmitter system, the cholinergic system, which tends to cause anti-excitatory actions.
Damage to the cholinergic (acetylcholine-producing) system in the brain has been shown to be plausibly associated with the memory deficits associated with Alzheimer's disease.

Synthesis and degradation


Acetylcholine is synthesized in certain neurons by the enzyme choline acetyltransferase from the compounds choline and acetyl-CoA. Cholinergic neurons are capable of producing Ach.

Receptors


There are two main classes of acetylcholine receptor (AChR), nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChR) and muscarinic acetylcholine receptors (mAChR). They are named for the ligands used to activate the receptors.

Nicotinic


Nicotinic AChRs are ionotropic receptors permeable to sodium, potassium, and calcium ions. They are stimulated by nicotine and acetylcholine. They are of two main types, muscle-type and neuronal-type. The former can be selectively blocked by curare and the latter by hexamethonium. The main location of nicotinic AChRs is on muscle end plates, on autonomic ganglia (both sympathetic and parasympathetic), and in the CNS.[32]

Muscarinic


Muscarinic receptors are metabotropic, and affect neurons over a longer time frame. They are stimulated by muscarine and acetylcholine, and blocked by atropine. Muscarinic receptors are found in both the central nervous system and the peripheral nervous system, in heart, lungs, upper GI tract and sweat glands. Extracts from the plant Deadly night shade included this compound (atropine), and the blocking of the muscarinic AChRs increases pupil size as used for attractiveness in many European cultures in the past

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The Research Showing Abnormality in ASD
The following study was carried out in the UK in 2002 on post mortem brain tissue from “Brain banks” in the US.  It is extensively referred to in the later research.




 






An earlier paper on the same subject:-



CONCLUSIONS: These neurochemical abnormalities implicate the cholinergic system in developmental disorders such as autism and suggest the potential for intervention based on cholinergic receptor modulation.

If the low level of cortical nicotinic receptors is consistently observed and clinically relevant, therapeutic strategies could include receptor agonists, such as nicotine, which has already been applied in Tourette’s disorder with amelioration of symptoms. Such treatment could also be disease modifying.
 

Other studies on autistic brain samples have shown diminished acetylcholine and nicotinic receptor activity.

Implications 10 years on remain the same
A recent study by neuroscientists at Ohio State University, concludes that neuronal nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR) alterations are biomarkers for ASD and that specific nAChRs subtypes are likely to be useful therapeutic targets for the treatment of core deficits. They claim a case can be made for the use of  α7 nAChRs to reduce neuroinflammation in the brain in those ASD individuals with such clinical pathology. The ultimate hope is that these agents, when administered early in development, by their presumed ability to modulate a number of different neurotransmitter systems and associated signaling pathways, could help correct core deficits associated with ASD.

Interventions

Just by spending 5 minutes on Wikipedia, you can find logical interventions that could have been tested since 2002.  Some have indeed been tested, others have not.  Here below is a copy-paste from Wikipedia, with interesting drugs highlighted.

 

Reversibel acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (often abbreviated AChEI)


Compounds which function as reversible competitive or noncompetitive inhibitors of cholinesterase are those most likely to have therapeutic uses. These include:


Natural Compounds



ACh receptor agonists/antagonists


Acetylcholine receptor agonists and antagonists can either have an effect directly on the receptors or exert their effects indirectly, e.g., by affecting the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, which degrades the receptor ligand. Agonists increase the level of receptor activation, antagonists reduce it.

Drugs acting on the cholinergic system


Blocking, hindering or mimicking the action of acetylcholine has many uses in medicine. Drugs acting on the acetylcholine system are either agonists to the receptors, stimulating the system, or antagonists, inhibiting it.

ACh and its receptors
Drug
Nm
Nn
M1
M2
M3
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+/-
-
+
-
+
+
+
-
-
-
+
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Direct acting


These are drugs that mimic acetylcholine on the receptor. In low doses, they stimulate the receptors, in high doses they numb them due to depolarisation block.



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Evidence based approach
The web is full of commentators telling you to only pay attention to evidence-based treatments.  This sound great in principle, but it assumes there are copious amounts of well-constructed clinical trials.  Moreover, is assumes that there is just one type of autism, or that clinical trials are sophisticatedly constructed to test individual sub-types, one at a time (which they are not).

So, in reality, the evidence is generally poor quality and so applying a pure evidence-based approach will leave you exactly back where you started.
I have gathered together what I think is a remarkable amount of evidence from multiple imperfect trials and anecdotal case studies.


Use Of Donepzil
Following on two earlier trials, Chez et Al carried out a double-blind study  of Donepezil hydrochloride, an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor  to confirm those findings. 

 

 The trial concluded:-

Expressive and receptive speech gains, as well as decreases in severity of overall autistic behavior, were documented after 6-weeks for the treatment group. These improvements were statistically significant when compared to placebo, and were clinically meaningful as assessed over time. Donepezil hydrochloride appears to improve expressive and receptive language as well as overall autistic features, consistent with the hypothesis of acetylcholinergic enhancement

 Here is a more recent case study from India


A woman consulted psychiatric Out-Patient Department (OPD) for her 5-year and 2-month-old son presenting with typical autistic symptoms like social, behavioural, and communicational ineptitudeness. Subsequent treatment with Donepezil resulted in marked improvement in the aforementioned symptomatology. Recent studies in autistic child have shown diminished acetylcholine and nicotinic receptor activity, thus an acetylcholinergic enhancer, Donepezil, likely accounts for improvement in autistic symptoms. Evidently, the case report consolidates Donepezil role as a potentially useful agent in the treatment of cognitive and behavioural symptoms observed in this disorder.

 Mecamylamine
There was a recent trial of Mecamylamine, with mixed results, but the researcher is already planning a follow trial of a similar drug called varenicline, that was previously suggested by other researchers.

RESULTS:

Eighteen participants (10 mecamylamine, 8 placebo) completed the study. All doses were well tolerated; the only side effect of note was constipation (50% compared with 25% of placebo group). Three children had clinically nonsignificant electrocardiographic QT prolongation. Both groups showed modest to moderate improvement, but differences between groups were negligible. On the primary outcome measure, the Ohio Autism Clinical Impressions Scale, 90% of the active treatment group showed improvement at some point (but only 40% sustained it), compared with 62% on placebo. Of the four in active treatment that sustained improvement, three had a maximum dose of 0.13-0.15 mg/kg/day, while those who regressed had doses ≥0.18 mg/kg/day. Graphed means suggested better outcome with lower mg/kg and longer medication duration. Four parents spontaneously reported reduced hyperactivity and irritability and better verbalization and continued mecamylamine at their own expense.

CONCLUSION:

Mecamylamine appeared to be safe, but not very effective in autism. The suggestion of better results at lower doses and longer exposure warrants consideration for future trials. The next step would be exploration of a more specific α4β2 nAChR agonist, such as varenicline.

Varenicline is a drug developed to help people to stop smoking.  It is widely used and looks set to be trialed in autism


Galantamine
Galantamine was successfully trialed and I am surprised we do not hear more about it.  In fact, it was developed in the Soviet Union in the 1950s and is now used for Alzheimer's.  It is based on snowdrop flowers.  It is available as a drug and as a supplement, depending on where you live.

RESULTS:

Patients showed a significant reduction in parent-rated irritability and social withdrawal on the ABC as well as significant improvements in emotional lability and inattention on the Conners' Parent Rating Scale--Revised. Similarly, clinician ratings showed reductions in the anger subscale of the Children's Psychiatric Rating Scale. Eight of 13 participants were rated as responders on the basis of their improvement scores on the Clinical Global Impressions scale. Overall, galantamine was well-tolerated, with no significant adverse effects apart from headaches in one patient.

CONCLUSION:

In this open trial, galantamine was well-tolerated and appeared to be beneficial for the treatment of interfering behaviors in children with autism, particularly aggression, behavioral dyscontrol, and inattention. Further controlled trials are warranted


The missing evidence
You will have noticed caffeine and nicotine in the title of this post.  You may have noted that back in 2001/2 the original researchers suggested the logical next step was to trial nicotine patches.

All I can find is one case report in ADHD, which to me is just ASD-lite.


If you look in internet forums you will see that DAN doctors in the US are using nicotine patches.  You will also find people giving small doses of caffeine.
Having reviewed “the evidence” I think it is entirely logical to trial SMALL doses of nicotine and caffeine.  The research indeed tells us that only SMALL does may have the desired effect.
One report I read was a DAN Doctor giving her own child a quarter of 7mg nicotine patch.  By my research, that equals the nicotine of a single cigarette.
You will also see older kids with HFA (high functioning autism) writing on the web how they feel it easier to (pretend to) be more NT (neuro-typical) after drinking coffee and/or smoking. (Maybe they just look more NT, or maybe there is some truth in it).  They do not talk about alcohol.
The other “obvious” thing that has not been trialed is acetylcholine or choline itself.  It is known to be deficient in autism.  It is sometimes included in multivitamin pills in small amounts. Choline is widely available as a supplement.  It is also used for its nootropic properties and there are claims it reduces neuroinflammation.  It is used in depression, memory loss, Alzheimer’s and schizophrenia  It also lower cholesterol. Most surprisingly, choline is prescribed to control asthma, a comorbidity of ASD.  
Choline is used by people trying to boost their brainpower by combining it with other nootropic drugs.  Their favourite drug appear to be Piracetam, which is the same drug used for ASD in Ukraine and subject of a clinical trial in Iran, that I wrote about recently.

It is remarkable how many drugs I am writing about are either (ab)used by body builders or now IQ builders.

Conclusion
This post has really surprised me.  Firstly, there more drugs that look like they actually do work in autism (Donepezil and Galantamine).  There is an interesting phase 4 trial underway using Donepzil + Choline. Phase 4 is the final phase.

Nicotine may set alarm bells ringing, but if you check it out, you will see that very small amounts are apparently harmless.  Thanks to smokers, there exists a perfect transdermal delivery system.  Just why nobody trials it in autism (Glaxo produce Nicorette patches) is inexplicable.
Small amounts of coffee are given to even young children in many strong coffee drinking countries (like the Balkans). Coca Cola and even Ice Tea are caffeine-rich.

Choline is probably the simplest, cheapest and safest intervention;  but that does not mean it is will be effective.  Nobody has made a controlled trial with it, probably because there is no money in it.
For a change in my posts, it looks like there is something for everyone.

 

27 comments:

  1. Peter have you ever looked at Citicholine? I am curious what you think about this given the benefits of choline. Their marketing materials are extensive. Does the choline tie into methylation?

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    1. I am not sure if choline actually helps children with autism to alleviate symptoms. Nevertheless, I believe that choline deficiency of the mother during pregnancy and early brain development of the child may certainly be causing autism. With that said, I believe the ultimate importance and relationship of choline and autism is the prevention of brain anomalies rather than helping the brain after it is already altered....

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  2. In the case of my daughter and me, both with Asperger/HFA, choline has made a tremendous difference. It took me several months of trial and error but in the end choline was the last show stopper. To make a long story short, I tried many supplements and a few of them (high dose B12, B6, MSM, NAC, methionine, sulfate glucosamine for the easy sulfate absorption...) seem to relieve most symptoms at some point or another but after a few days or weeks, symptoms returned.

    In the end, adding choline to our regimen was the last show stopper. I believe low sulfation was the main problem and somehow choline helps with sulfation or sulfate re-absorption (I didn't find much related research). At first I thought choline was being helpful as a source of TMG but I tried TMG supplements and they made no difference.

    My lifelong rhinitis, constant thirst/polyuria/easy dehydration are now gone and I have a much sharper and vivid vision. For my young daughter, temper tantrums are gone, she is happier, seem less anxious and she communicates more like a grown-up.

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    1. Thanks for the comments. There is research confirming that choline can be used to treat allergies and for some people it works better than antihistamines.

      Good for the both of you that you kept trying therapies until you found a game changer.

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    2. may i ask what brand and dose choline you used?

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  3. Hi Peter!

    I love reading your blogposts because it is so vital for parents with children on the spectrum to understand whats going on and help them the best they can. Unfortunately the mainstream medical community is unequipped to help us. The reason I am commenting on this old post is that my almost 7yo asd daughter does super well on citicholine (and piracetam). Unfortunately we have to go low and slow with any choline supplements because eventually she becomes hyper on it (COMT homozygous is the main factor I think). Ive since reintroduced citicholine alone - a smallish dose around 65mg 2x a day.

    However I worry about this line I read on citicholine on the wikipedia - "Citicoline has also been shown to elevate ACTH independently from CRH levels and to amplify the release of other HPA axis hormones such as LH, FSH, GH and TSH in response to hypothalamic releasing factors.[5] These effects on HPA hormone levels may be beneficial for some individuals but may have undesirable effects in those with medical conditions featuring ACTH or cortisol hypersecretion including, but not limited to, PCOS, type II diabetes and major depressive disorder. "

    Since we are seeing some signs of precocious puberty in dd (adrenarche the endocrinologist suspects actually), what would the above signify? Should we stop citicoline completely since it may overactivate an already hyperactive HPA??

    Also, I had assumed that B5 supplementation would be sensible along with citicholine for the production of ACh. But Im reading from this link,http://www.longecity.org/forum/blog/83/entry-389-cholinergic-mechanisms-of-alcar/ that Pantothenic acid MAY actually slow down the acetylation of choline. Has that been your experience too?

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  4. You are right to consider hormone changes related to puberty. This is the reason I do not give my son pregnenolone (which becomes progesterone), this hormone would very likely be helpful but, at some unknown dosage, it is likely to affect the changes surrounding puberty.

    If you have similar benefits from piracetam, maybe it would be better to use that instead of citicholine. Piracetam seems to be extremely well tolerated.

    I only used choline very briefly, since it had an immediate bad effect.

    The problem is that there are numerous possible underlying dysfunctions and even genetic testing is unlikely to give you any firm direction. You do not know exactly why Citicholine helps. It is quite different from Piracetam. Both increase cerebral blood flow.

    Perhaps it would be useful to trial some of the other substances in this post that related to ACh. Then you would have more evidence that this is the problem area. Galantamine is well researched and available OTC in the US and elsewhere.

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  5. THank you for replying Peter! I wasnt expecting such a quick response. Ive seen many complain that Galantamine caused their children to have either hyperactivity or tic like issues. Im thinking of trialling Acetyl L Carnitine based on that link from longecity. DD definitely has ACh issues since she hates doing any kind of coordinated movements like yoga or any exercises. She is better on citicoline. But you are right precocious puberty is not worth it right now. Atleast since there are alternatives.

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  6. Hi Peter thank you for this blog. I have come to similar conclusions,I'm forty eight last birthday and aspegerian ;) Gonna try choline again as having terrible symptoms after giving up smoking.So bad I started again. Best Wishes Ian

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  7. Muscarinic M1 receptors seem to be underdiscussed, both piracetam and ginkgo seem to upregulate this and they both improve my motor coordination substantially (m1 receptors are known to do this).

    Also M1 receptors modulates LTP/LTD and can increase EPSP, taken of wiki page:

    EPSP in autonomic ganglia[citation needed]
    Secretion of catecholamines from the adrenal medulla[11]
    Secretion from salivary glands
    Gastric acid secretion from stomach[5]
    In CNS (memory?)[12]
    Vagally-induced bronchoconstriction[5]
    Mediating olfactory behaviors (e.g. aggression, mating)[13]

    increases oxytocin secretion: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8870038

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    M1 receptors modulation seem to help with fragile x (closely related to autism/asd from what I know?):

    Muscarinic M1 Receptor Modulation of Synaptic Plasticity in Nucleus Accumbens of Wild-Type and Fragile X Mice.
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acschemneuro.7b00398?journalCode=acncdm#

    Cholinergic activity in autism: abnormalities in the cerebral cortex and basal forebrain.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11431227

    Cortical M1 binding was up to 30% lower in the autism group

    Does anyone know how long it would take for a drug like Anavex 2-73 to hit the market? It has just started its first trial on people from what I know (for alzheimer). Anavex 2-73 is a mixed M1 agonist and Sigma 1 agonist.

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    1. You just invented a new word Aspie1983 - "underdiscussed". ;)
      I don't know much about M1 so i can't add much to the subject, but I think there is a link to Fluoxetine, Bacopa and eventually to Inositol too.

      /Ling

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    2. Seems indeed to be the case:

      Inositol Phosphate Accumulation in Vivo Provides a Measure of Muscarinic M1 Receptor Activation.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27958713

      Also Alpha GPC increases IP3 signalling, this 'supplement' is actually now banned in europe and yes it is a pretty powerfull choline precursor and parasympathetic nervous system activator.

      My alpha gpc experience was pretty good but I had to stop it early it caused immense acne like breakouts, which is funny since it increases fatty acids circulating in the blood. If you remember me posting my bloodtests it always showed rock bottom triglycerids. My body seems to be unable to handle a 'normal' amount of free fatty acids flowing around in the blood.

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  8. Has anyone tried Donezepil for core and social problems in ASD? Id love to hear your experience with it.
    According to wikipedia besides it being an aCHE-i it also is a potent sigma1 agonist, which makes me believe it might behave somewhat similar like the drug anavex2-73 which is currently in development for parkinsons, alzheimer and autism.

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  9. This may be why a family member of mine can not get off their nicotine paches despite giving up smoking a couple of years ago. They feel like they go crazy off the patches. Also "needs" their coffee. Undiagnosed ASD I suspect as a child/now, 40+adult, now diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. Doctors just slap on antipsychotic & antidepressant meds without further investigation. This is a small light on a big problem...thankyou!

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  10. Tried 4mg of galantamine earlier, again the aversive reaction to it like I had before. It feels as if it gives me TOO much clarity, raw pure data in + out in my brain, and no way of emotional processing takes place.
    I have a strong HATE for this drug, memantine is a nACHr7 ANTAGONIST and during the adaptation phase where nACHR7's still arent upregulated I felt really really good.
    Quercetin and ginseng also seem mixed nACHR antagonists, maybe thats why I have had good reactions to them.

    Peter, what do you think the chances are that acute vs chronic dosing of galantamine can give oposite effects?

    All I could find regarding the HATE and agitation I feel on galantamine was this:

    Galantamine Response Associates with Agitation and the Prefrontal Cortex in Patients with Alzheimer's Disease.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28222509

    Alpha-GPC made me feel very good, but that gives me insane acne breakouts, pisses me off cause I felt so good on that...
    Ginkgo and piracetam (both I respond well too) seem to enhance muscarinic M1/M2 function.

    Seems like I need nACHR antagonism, but M1/M2 agonism... jezus a mission impossible.

    Btw multiple website and scientific articles indeed list galantamine with agitation as side effect.

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  11. You are reading the results of that galantamine study incorrectly: "No significant differences were found in the MMSE, NPI, and ZBI scores between baseline and at 12 weeks. However, in the patients with agitation at baseline, galantamine treatment decreased the scores of total ZBI... Conclusions: Galantamine response may be related to aggression and dysfunction of the prefrontal cortex."

    What the authors tried to say is that those patients who had agitation or aggression at baseline, had improvements on galantamine whereas those who didn't have agitation or aggression at the baseline didn't see improvements from galantamine. Two double-blind studies of galantamine in autism showed reduction in irritability.

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    1. Seems so. however,
      What about every page that has information about galantamine lists agitation and irritability as a side effect.

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  12. Hi Peter, what was the negative effect on Monty with choline?
    Any other feedback from the community here on trials of choline?
    I am wondering the dosage needed for a 27-mo.

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    1. Choline is sometimes combined with nootropic drugs to increase their effect.

      Effectiveness of nootropic drugs with cholinergic activity in treatment of cognitive deficit: a review
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4863555/

      So for example Piracetam + choline.

      The autism study below combined Donepezil with Choline

      Improvement of Language in Children with Autism with Combined Donepezil and Choline Treatment
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31230222/

      Some Nootropic drugs like Piracetam increase blood flow to the brain and so will help improve some types of dementia.

      In my son Piracetam was perfectly tolerated, but choline caused aggression immediately.

      Donepezil inhibits acetylcholinesterase, an enzyme responsible for the destruction of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. This leads to increased concentrations of acetylcholine in the brain, and the increased concentrations are believed to be responsible for the improvement seen during treatment with donepezil.

      Galantamine, sold as both a drug and a supplement, is also interesting because it has a dual mode of action. It is an inhibitor of acetylcholinesterase (AChE), like Donepezil, but it also is an allosteric modulator of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs). This second effect may well make it work better for some people than Donepezil

      Galantamine has also been trialed in autism and is OTC.

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  13. Hello Peter, do you think it would be a worth it to make a trial on myself with low dose Piracetam for a while and see if it works and then see if it works better with choline? I have tried some of my sons interventions and they have worked well on me, I can be a good lab rat I think. I was thinking about a paper I read but I'm not shure if it's from a good source and I haven't found any more information.

    ''We do not yet quite understand the mechanism behind the efficacy of low doses. The possibility of individual molecules meeting target cells, as Ashrnarin has proposed [1], should not be ruled out. Piracetam in a dose improving the memory processes is known to activate the rat brain genome [9]. A similar mechanism of action of low doses of the drug on memory may be hypothesized, and in this case we must acknowledge the possibility of individual molecules of piracetam meeting indi- vidual genes.''

    This is the paper.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14672279_Effect_of_low_doses_of_piracetam_on_conditional_reflex_memory_in_rats

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  14. Lisa, I wrote about Piracetam in the post below:-

    https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2013/10/piracetam-for-autism-comrades.html

    The advantage of Piracetam is that it is cheap and extremely well tolerated. In Mexico you will get the pharmaceutical version, which is much better than supplement versions.

    It is a good idea to try it.

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    1. This recent article is probably meant to keep people in the US from using piracetam. The included Table is on the other hand very good for anyone who is looking for the actual piracetam content of various available products.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6902196/

      /Ling

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    2. Interesting Ling, one of the 5 products contained 0% of the ingredient stated on the label.

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    3. Thank you Peter and Ling for the information.

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    I know the info here is sound but Facebook thinks it’s misleading.

    So giving a heads up

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  16. Has anyone ever tried Polyenylphosphatidylcholine to treat speech issues in ASD people? It was recommended by my son's functional doctor to improve his speech.

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