Much of this
blog to date has been connected with aspects related to the neurotransmitter
GABA. It did get rather complicated, but
at least for me, it has been highly rewarding. I have identified treatable
dysfunctions in Monty, aged 10 with ASD, using Bumetanide and now Clonazepam.
It is also
clear that a group of people with autism also benefit from treatment with
R-baclofen, a potent GABAB receptor agonist.
R-baclofen/Arbaclofen and Arbaclofen Placarbil are not commercially available. The commercially available drug Baclofen
contains R-Baclofen and another substance that, in-effect, works to oppose it and so may be much less effective.
Based on the
successful results of this investigation into GABA-related interventions, it
would therefore make sense to look in detail at Glutamate, the other
neurotransmitter that appears to be dysfunctional in many types of autism.
As with GABA
dysfunctions, there are already are some existing treatments for glutamate
dysfunctions.
While many
researchers have concluded that glutamate is implicated in autism, some think,
in effect, there is too much and some think there is too little. Since we have learnt that in fact within “autism”
are many discrete diseases, both groups of researchers might be right.
In other
types of neurological disorders glutamatergic modulators
are an emerging therapy and there are many ongoing clinical trials. Off-label, some of these therapies have been
used for decades. In autism there have
been some trials over the years, but as seems to be often the case, they are
not followed up to a final undisputed conclusion. This may be about to change.
Yet again, the
mineral Magnesium appears and there is yet another possible explanation for its
apparent positive impact, in some cases of autism.
I imagine
that under the umbrella diagnosis of autism, there are those who have a GABA
dysfunction and there are those that have a Glutamate dysfunction. Just to complicate matters, if there is Serotonin
dysfunction, this will affect both GABA and Glutamate. So everything is inter-related and nothing is
simple. Fortunately,
in medicine, trial and error is a long trusted technique and “stumbled upon” is still
a satisfactory explanation; we do not need to understand things 100%.
First we
have to look at the terminology and in doing so we stumble upon a novel
hypothesis as to what caused autism in the first place, which occurred to me
today, but back in 2007 at the University of Mississippi.
Glutamate
Glutamate is the most abundant excitatory neurotransmitter.
Glutamate is involved in cognitive functions like learning and memory in the
brain. Too much glutamate can be
extremely bad for you and research shows it leads to neuronal death, mental
retardation and indeed autism.
So called Glutamate transporters remove
glutamate from the extracellular space. In brain injury or disease, they can
work in reverse, and excess glutamate can accumulate outside cells. This
process causes calcium ions to enter cells via NMDA receptor channels, leading
to neuronal damage and eventual cell death;
this is called excitotoxicity.So it is plausible that the root cause of the autism is actually a dysfunction of one of the glumate transporters. The calcium ions are just the messenger.
There are 4 types of glutamate transporter. When there is a dysfunction the following is known to happen:-
·
Over activity of glutamate transporters may
result in inadequate synaptic glutamate and may be involved in schizophrenia
and other mental illnesses
·
During injury processes such as ischemia and traumatic brain injury, the action
of glutamate transporters may fail, leading to toxic buildup of glutamate.
·
Loss of the Na+-dependent
glutamate transporter EAAT2 is suspected to be associated with
neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's disease
Excessive glumate release
Excitotoxicity due to excessive glutamate release and impaired uptake occurs as part of the ischemic cascade and is associated with stroke, autism, some forms of intellectual disability, and diseases like Alzheimer's disease.
Epilepsy and Calcium Channels
Glutamic acid has been implicated in epileptic seizures.
Microinjection of glutamic acid into neurons produces spontaneous depolarisations
around one second apart, and this firing pattern is similar to what is known as
paroxysmal depolarizing shift in epileptic attacks. This change in the resting membrane potential at
seizure foci could cause spontaneous opening of voltage-activated calcium channels, leading to glutamic acid release and further
depolarization
Too much or too little Glutamate Activity?
Studies propose both hyper-and hypoglutamatergic ideologies for autism.
You may be thinking that somebody is clearly wrong here, but it is not so simple. We will see later, when we get to the clever people at MIT, that in fact both views may be correct; in some people their autism is improved by inhibiting the specific receptor (mGluR5) and in other people by exciting the same receptor.
GABA & GAD
Glutamate also serves as the precursor for the synthesis of the inhibitory gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) in GABA-ergic neurons. This reaction is catalyzed by glutamate decarboxylase (GAD), which is most abundant in the cerebellum and pancreas.GAD is interesting in itself. There are two types, GAD67 and GAD65
It appears that anti-GAD antibodies are the trigger that leads to diabetes. Since the pancreas has abundant GAD, a direct immunological destruction occurs in the pancreas and the patients will have developed diabetes.
Diabetes
Both GAD67 and GAD65
are targets of autoantibodies in people who later develop type 1 diabetes
or latent autoimmune diabetes. Injections
with GAD65 has been shown to preserve some insulin production for 30
months in humans with type 1 diabetes
Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
Substantial dysregulation of GAD mRNA
expression, coupled with down regulation of reelin, is observed in schizophrenia
and bipolar disorder. The most pronounced down regulation of GAD67 was found in
hippocampal stratum oriens layer in both disorders.
Parkinson disease
The bilateral delivery of GAD by an adeno-associated viral vector into the
subthalamic nucleus of patients between 30 and 75 years of age with advanced,
progressive, levodopa-responsive Parkinson disease resulted in significant
improvement over baseline during the course of a six-month study
Cerebellar disorders
Intracerebellar administration of GAD
autoantibodies to animals increase the excitability of motoneurons and impairs
the production of nitric oxide (NO), a molecule involved in learning. Epitope
recognition contributes to cerebellar involvement
Stiff Person Syndrome
Anti-GAD antibodies are associated with Stiff-person syndrome but their
causal role is not yet established.
We have seen before that comorbidities of autism can point us in the right direction and also that many mental health / neurological disorders are overlapping.
So is not a surprise that a GAD dysfunction also exists in autism:-
“This suggests a disturbance in
the intrinsic cerebellar circuitry in the autism group potentially interfering
with the synchronous firing of inferior olivary neurons, and the timing of
Purkinje cell firing and inputs to the dentate nuclei. Disturbances in critical
neural substrates within these key circuits could disrupt afferents to motor
and/or cognitive cerebral association areas in the autistic brain likely
contributing to the marked behavioral consequences characteristic of autism.
Both GAD isoforms have been shown
to be affected in a variety of psychiatric and developmental disorders. GAD67
has been implicated in schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression
disorder, and autism.
In animal studies, GAD65 is
strongly implicated in anxiety.
Clinical research indicates that
discrete cerebellar lesions, in otherwise healthy children, cause behavioral
and/or cognitive impairments. In autism, however, cerebellar pathology is
likely acquired during critical developmental period(s) when the brain is
capable of constructing alternate innervation patterns. It is thus possible that there is a “miswiring” of
key circuits in the autistic cerebellum with a developmental basis persisting
into adulthood”
We see again
a form of self-destruction. With
arthritis the body destroys its joints and with diabetes, the pancreas is
(partially) destroyed.
From the
research it would appear that low levels of GAD67 and GAD65 played a critical
role in the process that initiated the brain damage that led to autism. Perhaps the low levels are the result of GAD
antibodies.
GAD antibodies test as a predictor
There is a
widely available of a GAD antibodies test.
Because diabetes is so common, it is also well researched.
So now back to autism. Now, I am thinking that maybe pregnant mothers might have high levels of GAD antibodies and this might be passed on to the developing fetus, potentially causing brain damage (autism) or perhaps diabetes later in life. Well, somebody has already come to the same conclusion.
“Conclusions
Studies of serum GAD-Abs in autism are warranted but
have not been done so far. Positive findings would stimulate the development of
specific prenatal diagnostic markers and therapeutics that may involve maternal
administration of immunosuppressants to prevent the development
of
autism or intravenous immunoglobulins therapy in
children with emerging autistic symptoms.”
This again
points towards immunomodulation as a therapy, this time for the mother. Such treatment, in mothers with high GAD-Abs
(GAB antibodies) might lead to a reduction is in cases of autism and indeed diabetes
(type 1).
In the case of children and adults with autism,
treatment with GAD65 or GAD67 might be effective, or it might just be too late
to do any good. This would be worthy of
study.
Glutamate receptors
Glutamate receptors are implicated in a number of neurological conditions. Their central role in excitotoxicity and prevalence in the central nervous system has been linked or speculated to be linked to many neurodegenerative diseases, and several other conditions have been further linked to glutamate receptor gene mutations.
There are
four types of glumate receptors.
The first
three types are Ionotropic,
and by definition, are ligand-gated nonselective cation channels that allow the flow of K+, Na+ and sometimes
Ca2+ in response to glutamate binding. Upon binding, the agonist will stimulate
direct action of the central pore of the receptor, an ion channel, allowing ion
flow and causing excitatory postsynaptic current (EPSC). This current is
depolarizing and, if enough glutamate receptors are activated, may trigger an
action potential in the postsynaptic neuron
These receptors are involved in Ca2+ and K+ ion channels and varying the
concentration of Ca2+ and K+
Glutamate binding to the
extracellular region of an mGluR causes G proteins bound to the intracellular
region to be phosphorylated, affecting multiple biochemical pathways and ion
channels in the cell. Because of this, mGluRs can both increase or decrease the
exitability of the postsynaptic cell, thereby causing a wide range of
physiological effects.
Selected Conditions associated with
Glumate Receptors (source Wikipedia)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
In 2006 the glutamate receptor subunit gene GRIN2B (responsible for key functions in memory and learning) was associated with ADHD. This followed earlier studies showing a link between glutamate modulation and hyperactivity.Further mutations to four different metabotropic glutamate receptor genes were identified in a study of 1013 paediatric ADHD patients compared to 4105 non-ADHD controls, replicated in a subsequent study of 2500 more patients. Deletions and duplications affected GRM1, GRM5, GRM7 and GRM8. The study concluded that "CNVs affecting metabotropic glutamate receptor genes were enriched across all cohorts (P = 2.1 × 10−9)", "over 200 genes interacting with glutamate receptors were collectively affected by CNVs", "major hubs of the (affected genes') network include TNIK50, GNAQ51, and CALM", and "the fact that children with ADHD are more likely to have alterations in these genes reinforces previous evidence that the GRM pathway is important in ADHD".
In 2012 UPenn and MIT teams have independently converged on mGluRs as players in ADHD and autism. The findings suggest agonizing mGluRs in patients with ADHD or certain forms of autism and antagonizing the targets in other forms of autism
Autism
The etiology of autism may include excessive glutaminergic mechanisms.A link between glutamate receptors and autism was also identified via the structural protein ProSAP1/SHANK2 and potentially ProSAP2/SHANK3. The study authors concluded that the study "illustrates the significant role glutamatergic systems play in autism" and "By comparing the data on ProSAP1/Shank2−/− mutants with ProSAP2/Shank3αβ−/− mice, we show that different abnormalities in synaptic glutamate receptor expression can cause alterations in social interactions and communication. Accordingly, we propose that appropriate therapies for autism spectrum disorders are to be carefully matched to the underlying synaptopathic phenotype.
Seizures
Glutamate receptors have been discovered to have a role in the onset of epilepsy. NMDA and metabotropic types have been found to induce epileptic convulsions. Using rodent models, labs have found that the introduction of antagonists to these glutamate receptors helps counteract the epileptic symptoms. Since glutamate is a ligand for ligand-gated ion channels, the binding of this neurotransmitter will open gates and increase sodium and calcium conductance. These ions play an integral part in the causes of seizures. Group 1 metabotropic glutamate receptors (mGlu1 and mGlu5) are the primary cause of seizing, so applying an antagonist to these receptors helps in preventing convulsions.
Current
and Future interventions
1. Targeting NMDA glutamate receptor function2. Targeting mGluRs (metabotropic glutamate receptors)3. Targeting glutamate transporters4. GAD therapy
There would
seem to be four possible areas of intervention.
The first one is to target the NMDA glutamate receptors using existing
drugs and other three are cleverer, but only possible using experimental drugs.
Very few pharmacological
tools are currently available to investigate glumate transporter (EAAT)
function and to then consider these transporters as therapeutic targets, but even that is
beginning to change. Here is a Glutamate Transporter Inhibitor:-
I do like
the idea of targeting GAD. It is possible to do it and the idea is being
developed by a company called Neurologix as a treatment for Parkinson’s Disease
(PD). There are also working on epilepsy
treatment.
They are
calling it gene therapy for PD; I would call it GAD therapy. I think GAD therapy might well be effective
in some types of autism.
mGluRs
This research is very recent and is linked to Fragile
X. Here is a PhD thesis written in 2013
by one of Mark Bear’s students, which seems to sum things up.
If you can follow my blog, you
can definitely follow his thesis. In
effect, what he is saying is that errors in synaptic protein synthesis are
behind several types of autism and that these errors can be corrected using
either positive or negative stimulators of the receptor mGluR5. It is clear that at Bear Lab, they view all
autisms as part of a family, rather than discrete disorders.
This would imply that positive allosteric modulators and negative allosteric modulators of MGluR5 are potentially effective autism treatments. Another name would be MGluR5 agonist/antagonist. Such drugs are already under study in both autism and other conditions. Here are two examples.
Roche is developing RG7090, an inhibitor of mGluR5 that is currently in clinical trials. CTEP is a mouse version of RG7090. One dose of CTEP, which can be taken orally, deactivates most mGLuR5 receptors in the brain for about 48 hours.
A single dose
of CTEP is enough to reverse the same features of fragile X syndrome — such as
an overproduction of proteins in the brain and susceptibility to seizures — as
those treated by previous mGLuR5 inhibitors. It also corrects a process that
allows neurons to change the strength of their connections in response to
learning.
It took four weeks of continued
treatment to see improvements in the behavioral features of the syndrome,
including sensory sensitivities and problems with learning and memory.
Fenobam
Fenobam is an existing inhibitor of mGluR5, developed in the
1970s. It was trialed in Fragile X in
2009 with good results using just a single dose.
“In summary, this trial did not
find major safety concerns to a single administration of fenobam in FXS, and
suggested that clinical improvements in behaviour and PPI may be seen even
after a single dose. This would indicate that placebo controlled trials of
fenobam and other mGluR5 antagonists involving longer term treatment of
individuals with FXS should be considered to investigate whether rescue of the
FXS phenotype observed in animal models can be extended to humans.”
Current interventions
The current
interventions are mainly NDMA receptor antagonists and are based on that
trusted medical approach called trial and error, rather than the Bear Lab
approach . The drugs are:-
·
Ketamine
·
Memantine,
·
D-Cycloserine
·
Magnesium
·
Fenobam (mGluR5 inhibitor – see above, not FDA
approved)
Chemicals that deactivate the NMDA receptor are called
antagonists. NMDAR antagonists fall into four categories:
- Uncompetitive antagonists, which block the ion channel by binding to a site within it
- glycine antagonists, which bind to and block the glycine site
Ketamine is
a non-competitive antagonist. It has recently been in the headlines for
having a remarkable effect in some cases of depression.
In large
doses it is used as an anaesthetic particularly in children and pet
animals. It is also used as a
recreational drug “Special K”, which is why it is a controlled substance.
In small
doses the intra-nasal route is favoured.
In effect the vial of ketamine normally administered by injection is
diluted with a saline solution and put in a standard metered dose nasal
spray. It is also possible to make eye
drops the same way. The nasal/eye route
is effective since the drug can enter the bloodstream without the need for an
injection or a very ineffective oral tablet.
A study is
underway in Cincinnati to test intranasal ketamine on adults with autism.
Dr. Logan Wink, Cincinnati
Children's Hospital
Start Date: 11/2013
In
a human clinical trial with 24 adults with Autism, researchers at the
Cincinnati Children’s Hospital will conduct a pilot double-blind placebo
controlled study of intranasal ketamine in adults with ASD using novel
quantitative outcome measures of social and communication impairment.
Ketamine
has a unique drug profile clearly differentiated from other glutamatergic
modulators (drugs that support the glutamate receptors) studied in ASD to date.
This profile, coupled with ketamine’s long safety track record and novel
intranasal (IN) delivery system, make ketamine worthy of drug investigation for
treatment of the core features of ASD. As a generically available inexpensive
drug, ketamine holds significant promise to widely treat the core social and
communication impairments that are the hallmark of ASD. The results of this
study, if positive, would support the use of a drug with a demonstrated safety
profile that is cost-effective to use.
If
this pilot project demonstrates efficacy and tolerability of IN ketamine, the
next steps will include the following. 1) Design and obtain funding for a large
phase II placebo controlled trial of ketamine in adults with ASD. 2) Design a
pilot study of ketamine in children with ASD. 3) Publish the data on the pilot
study for other researchers and clinicians to use to support patients with ASD.
Memantine is
an uncompetitive agonist. It has a modest effect in
moderate-to-severe Alzheimer's disease.
It has been around for a long time, having been first synthesized in
1968.
There are two other Alzheimer’s drugs that seem to be
helpful in some types of autism. They
are Donepezil (Aricept) and
Galantamine They are both
centrally acting reversible acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. So they work in an entirely different way to Memantine.
There have
been several trials of Memantine in autism over the years. Recently the producer, Forest Laboratories
have been intensive trials to show its effectiveness and safety in childhood
autism.
In 2007
Michael Chez carried out a study:-
Open-label add-on therapy was
offered to 151 patients with prior diagnoses of autism or Pervasive
Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified over a 21-month period. To
generate a clinician-derived Clinical Global Impression Improvement score for
language, behavior, and self-stimulatory behaviors, the primary author observed
the subjects and questioned their caretakers within 4 to 8 weeks of the
initiation of therapy. Chronic maintenance therapy with the drug was continued
if there were no negative side effects. Results showed significant improvements
in open-label use for language function, social behavior, and self-stimulatory
behaviors, although self-stimulatory behaviors comparatively improved to a
lesser degree. Chronic use so far appears to have no serious side effects.
Autism
speaks have funded studies:-
Even the
Iranians have been trialing it, but as usual as an adjunct therapy.
Forest
Laboratories have a series of trials underway of Memantine in autism
The full
list is here
It appears
that Forest have terminated what was to be a two year study. Here is a blog post by one of the parents:-
D-Cycloserine is a glycine antagonist.
Its main use is as an antibiotic for treating drug resistant TB. It is also used to treat drug addiction and
social anxiety disorder.
It has been investigated in both mouse models of autism
and in humans.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: The authors assessed the effects of d-cycloserine on the core symptom of social impairment in
subjects with autism. METHOD: Following a 2-week, single-blind placebo
lead-in phase, drug-free subjects with autistic disorder were administered three
different doses of d-cycloserine
during each of three 2-week periods. Measures used for subject ratings included
the Clinical Global Impression (CGI) scale and Aberrant Behavior Checklist. RESULTS:
Significant improvement was found on the CGI and social withdrawal subscale
of the Aberrant Behavior Checklist. d-Cycloserine
was well tolerated at most of the doses used in this study. CONCLUSIONS: In this pilot study, d-cycloserine treatment resulted in
significant improvement in social withdrawal. Further controlled studies of d-cycloserine in autism appear
warranted.
Direct stimulation
of NMDARs with D-cycloserine, a
partial agonist of NMDARs, normalizes NMDAR function and improves social
interaction in Shank22/2 mice.
These results
suggest that reduced NMDAR function may contribute to the development of
ASD-like phenotypes in Shank22/2 mice, and mGluR modulation of NMDARs offers a
potential strategy to treat ASD.
Magnesium
Magnesium is
an uncompetitive NMDA channel blocker. As you can see below on the diagram of the NMDA receptor site (source Wikipedia)
1. Cell membrane
2. Channel blocked by Mg2+ at the block site (3)
3. Block site by Mg2+
4. Hallucinogen compounds binding site
5. Binding site for Zn2+
6. Binding site for agonists(glutamate) and/or antagonist ligands(APV)
7. Glycosilation sites
8. Proton biding sites
9. Glycine binding sites
10. Polyamines binding site
11. Extracellular space
12. Intracellular space
2. Channel blocked by Mg2+ at the block site (3)
3. Block site by Mg2+
4. Hallucinogen compounds binding site
5. Binding site for Zn2+
6. Binding site for agonists(glutamate) and/or antagonist ligands(APV)
7. Glycosilation sites
8. Proton biding sites
9. Glycine binding sites
10. Polyamines binding site
11. Extracellular space
12. Intracellular space
Magnesium seems to have a therapeutic
effect in some types of autism. There
are several possible reasons why this might be and these have been covered in
earlier posts. The idea of using
magnesium to block dysfunctional NMDA receptors is intriguing. It is clear from the graphic that the
receptor has evolved with this specifically in mind.
There are two simple ways to raise the
concentration of magnesium, one is orally and the other is trans-dermally. A problem with the oral route is that magnesium
tends to upset the stomach and that is why it is used as laxative.
The clever transdermal route is take a
bath in Epsom salts (MgSO4) this will raise the level of magnesium
(also sulphate).
Many people take such baths to feel
better and look better, but be aware they also will reduce your blood
pressure. Some celebrities claim to take
a daily bath in Epsom salts.
While some parents report that their
child with ASD has behavioral improvements after an Epsom salt bath, in Monty,
aged 10 with ASD, the reverse is true.
It does not make him calm, it agitates him.
Since it is cheap and widely available,
an Epsom salt bath is not a bad thing to try.
Maybe it helps and maybe it will not; you will only know by trying.
Conclusion
Most likely in some subtypes of autism
there is too much (hyper-function) glutamate activity, in some subtypes there
is too little (hypo-function) and in other sub-types glutamate function is not
impaired at all. This is again saying
that sub-types are different diseases.
For the time being, the only therapy would
be one of trial and error with existing drugs.
Intranasal ketamine therapy is
intriguing, but this might be hard to get hold of unless you are in a clinical
trial, or your neighbour is a vet.
“I have had very good success using ketamine eye drops in
varying dilutions from 1:100 down to 1:5. Some of the responses have been quite
remarkable. I also make ketamine nasal spray 1:25 and 1:10 and monitor its use
because of a slight potential for abuse.”
Dr Jay Goldstein, treating various neurological disorders
Memantine has now been trialed in over 1,000 children. If it was highly effective in a large percentage of people, I think we would have heard about it. It looks to be the "wrong" Alzheimer's drug , the other two, Donepezil and Galantamine seem more beneficial for ASD.
One long-existing mGluR5 inhibitor, Fenebam, has already been trialed on people with Fragile X. Until other drugs are developed, I wonder why this drug has been forgotten.
One long-existing mGluR5 inhibitor, Fenebam, has already been trialed on people with Fragile X. Until other drugs are developed, I wonder why this drug has been forgotten.
In the
medium term, the new mGluR5 positive and negative modulators look like they may
be able to address core defects in some sub-types of autism. This would be a case where hard science and
medicine really did work as they should (i.e. together).
I would put my money on this being the most effective Glutamate-related
therapy.
I personally like to look for the route
cause, as far back up the chain of events as possible, to where the trouble
began, and that might point to GAD therapy, but that is far in the future.
NAC has been great in helping to reduce the frequency of rages. I give the 600 mg at least 4 times daily.
ReplyDeleteBut for stereotypy, it has not been hugely effective. Nor has any expressive speech increased,socialization improved, or learning motivation been observed with NAC.
The Pantogam Active, after about a week, is making a huge difference in sleeping through the night, and I am seeing an overall calmness I have not seen in years.
I will do at least another week, maybe 2-3, before I introduce anything new.
That said, as it appears that a GABAb agonist is benefitting my son, could it be possible that there is NMDR hypo-functioning and that something such as the glycine receptor antagonist D-cycloserine could benefit in conjunction with Pantogam Active or do these 2 notions conflict with each other?
Nancy
I think that you have to try these things to find out the real world effect in a specific person. Nobody can really tell you in advance who will respond to these therapies, but some people clearly do.
DeleteI think reducing rages is big step forward. If you are not calm, you cannot achieve much. People whose kids never show aggression or SIB do not appreciate how lucky they are.
Hi Peter,
DeleteI think I am not articulating my question correctly. Though I am trying to understand GABAA and GABAB and the dysfunction among them, I still don't totally have a grasp of them and how they affect each other.
I am wondering if the dysfunction can be with both GABA receptors and thus treated simultaneously.
As I said before, for the past 5 days my son has done beautifully on the GABAB agonist Pantogam Active. I have never seen him this calm in many years. I decided today to remove the tiny dose of clonezapam he had been taking in hopes to isolate to what I may attribute the calm behavior. ( I had not seen anything dramatic on the clonezapam by itself.) In the absence of clonezapam today, the Pantogam had a much more minimally noticeable benefit. I will continue this week to leave out the clonezapam then add it back in next week to confirm what I am seeing but the difference with just the GABAB agonist was dramatically less positive. With the GABAA agonist, also nothing really remarkable. With both the GABAA agonist and the GABAB agonist together, my son was extremely calm.
Can there be dysfunction in both GABAA and GABAB and can both be treated at the same time, supporting each other? I realize it will be trial and error but I want to know if that even makes sense.
Thanks so much.
Dear Nancy, it is quite possible that your son has both GABAa and GABAb dysfunctions. It is also possible that you can treat an NMDA dysfunction by targeting GABAb. It is also possible that the same drug might affect both GABAa and GABAb. Perhaps Pantogam also affects GABAa in some way.
DeleteThere is no reason why you could not treat GABAa and GABAb at the same time. There is no reason why some drug combinations might work synergistically. It is quite possible that one combination works for one person and does not help someone else.
Another simple therapy that will affect GABAa is progesterone/pregnenalone, which you can apply as a cream. We saw in an earlier post that progesterone changes the very structure of the GABAa receptor, which is made up of sub-units and can vary day to day. When effective this would be seen as a reduction in anxiety. This well researched because changes in progesterone affects anxiety in females. Progesterone can be given to males and does already exist in them, but I think it is better to be tried after puberty. The effect is very fast.
I hope that helps. This is all experimental and nobody can tell you exactly what combination will help. The science is complicated, but it is also far from complete. So you may find a great combination, but never really know 100% why it is effective.
Hi,
DeleteI just started the trial of Galantamine, 1 mg twice daily. Is this the correct dosage for a 3 year old? In the leaflet it says not for children under 9 years old.
How long should I give him Galantamine for? And what are we trying to accomplish, what symptoms to look for?
Thanks,
Polly
Polly, just google "Galantamine autism".
DeleteYou will find things like:-
A prospective, open-label trial of galantamine in autistic disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17069550
Galantamine efficacy and tolerability as an augmentative therapy in autistic children: A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24132248
I have never used Galantamine, but if you look on Autismweb, you will find parents sharing their views on it. Maybe post a question there about dosage and effect?
As with everything else, whether it helps depends on what dysfunctions the particular person has.
Galantamine is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (AChEI. It is the current standard of care in Alzheimer's disease (AD). Galantamine has other effects it exerts memory-enhancing and neuroprotective effects via activation of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs.
So there are at least two reasons it might help some people with autism.
Thank you, Peter!
DeleteAll of these years I am trying to find out what happened with the starting effect of low dose Clonazepam. It lasted for two weeks. It was something that I have never seen before or after.
DeleteThese days I have been reading the old diaries, and I've discovered that I had run out of Pantogam after two weeks of administration of both drugs (LD Clonazepam end Pantogam).
Nancy wrote a long time ago (2015.), that there is the synergism in effects of Pantogam and low dose Clonazepam.
I was delighted when I read this old note from her today…
Like Nancy, I haven't seen a similar effect separately from Pantogam or LD Clonazepam.
In those days, my child had 34kg (11 yo), now she has 50kg (15 yo). Some dose adjustments must be applied, I suppose.
She used to take 2x250mg of Pantogam and 0,8mcg/kg of Clonazepam at that time.
Maja, I recall when you started LD Clonazepam that you found it effective, I did wonder what happened after that.
DeletePantogam is a derivative of GABA and the Russian research says its effect is via GABAb receptors.
Pantogam does have known interactions:
"Interaction with other medicines
Prolonges a barbiturates action, increases anti-convulsants effects, prevents side effects of phenobarbitalum, carbamazepine, neuroleptics. A Pantogam activ effect is increased in combination with glycine, ethydronic acid. The drug potentiates the effect of local anesthetics (procaine)."
I wonder is your Pantogam plus LD Clonazepam synergy, a synergy or just an interaction changing the effective dose of LD Clonazepam synergy. It could be either.
As well as trying Pantogam again, it might be worth just trying LD Clonazepam at different doses. It seems to be accepted that just above the therapeutic zone, there is a significant negative response. Other people have commented that some drugs shift the therapeutic zone, I recall Acetazolamide was mentioned.
Let us all know how you progress.
Dear Peter,
DeleteThose couple of weeks were incredible.
I have good results with Bumetanide, she is "awakened" with Rifaximin, cheerful and talkative with Leucovorin - but she uses to stay what she is - autistic with narrow interests, learned behavior rules, stereotypes...
In that couple of days she looked like "neglected" neurotypical child (can't find better formulation, my English is bad).
She was curious, she tried to write a poem (she was angry because she couldn't find the right word for the rhyme!). She was self-confident; the school assistant wrote to me that the speech is incredible, asked if she was on some drugs.
She even developed a sense of smell (before that, she didn't react to any smell).
I've tried every single dose in the last 4 years. Countless. Consulted with pharmacists...
Jovana is nothing of the sort before that time, or now.
You wrote in your post about Pantogam
"...While it's main effect is on GABAB, like Baclofen, it also has the effect of modulating the GABAA response..."
It does interact to GABAA and GABAB receptors
"...interact with binding sites of specific GABA-A and, in particular, GABA-B receptor ligands. Racemate and S-enantiomer, but not its R-form, competed to a moderate degree for D2-receptor binding sites..."
https://europepmc.org/article/med/22677754
I started yesterday with my experiment.
Keep your fingers crossed for me, Peter, please :)
Maja, good luck.
DeleteWhat dose of Leucovorin do you use? Do you have no negative effects?
Thank you, Peter.
DeleteThere is nothing revolutionary with Leucovorin, but she is more cheerful with it. She is willing to talk, but she can't find the right words. Like starting an engine without a gasoline.
The same effect on speech is on 40mg, as it is on 15 mg. On 40mg she is kind of euphoric (not aggressive, but with short fuse).
I am giving her now 12.5mg (half tablet of Calcifolin - tablets from Greece)
Maja, when I tried 15mg I did not notice anything, but when I latter tried 45mg there was a clear effect on producing more complex speech, but with random aggression. I should go back and try the lower dose again. Calcifolin looks a good choice and not so expensive.
DeleteMaybe that's your dose, Peter. I am continuing to use Calcifolin more because of the great mood, than the speech. Maybe your child is a responder.
DeleteOn the doses bigger than 40 she is too excited, and it seems to me that excitation by itself is the reason for the urge to speak (like the urge to run...). That frightened me, so I stopped.
At the beginning of my trial with Rifaximin, with the clear signs of being present, she became aggressive.
I had to change the way I behave; I had to be more patient, calmer, quiet...
It worked, and we are now functioning on a different level - I am more using "would you please..." instead of commands. And more – I have to accept the answer "no" no matter how it complicates the present situation.
If she is trying to express herself as the person, some aggressive behavior is ok (if I can modulate it).
Peter,
ReplyDeleteWe started 2.5mg galantamine hydrobromide OTC 3 days ago for my son and have seen amazing, possibly "silver bullet"-like results in his speech, more so than any other supplement so far. He's always been a responder to choline and other "brain food" type supplements, but this one has produced astounding improvement in his speech and muscle control already. There is some slight hyperactivity but not near so badly as with citocholine supplement which brings on irritability and headaches. There seems to be almost a calming, happy effect with galantamine. Will definitely update on this one! :)
Adding some info to an old but still very relevant blogpost regarding hypo NMDAr treatments. Nothing new, but a useful article explaining a lot around NMDArs for us experts-to-become:
ReplyDelete"Since direct stimulation of NMDAR with glutamate or aspartate, agonists of the primary glutamate receptor site, is associated with neurotoxicity, most of the efforts to date have focused on the glycine modulatory site. The main compounds directly acting at this site that have been so far assessed in clinical trials include glycine, D-serine, and D-cycloserine (DCS), a tuberculostatic antibiotic having also complex agonist/antagonist action at the glycine modulatory site. In this context, a number of advantages are associated with D-Serine use, including better blood-brain-barrier penetration and stronger affinity at the glycine modulatory site versus glycine and, in contrast to DCS, specific and potent full agonist action at this site."
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/apsy/2014/859735/
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Hi Peter and Ling, Iam thinking of using magnesium glycinate for my son´s OCD, I think that it could have a calming effect,also to sleep better. But I read that depending on gaba and/or glutamate dysfunction it could cause more hypomanic episodes in my son, if it binds to glutamate and not to gaba. I also read that it is very helpful for TS and wanted to know what do you think.
DeleteValentina
Valentina, it looks like many people with Tourette's Syndrome report a benefit from various different magnesium supplements. It is easy to try and see if it helps.
DeleteThere are numerous ideas for treating OCD.
From another set of comments elsewhere in this blog, there is sarcosine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21508860
"CONCLUSION:
Sarcosine treatment can achieve a fast therapeutic effect in some OCD patients, particularly those who are treatment naive. The study supports the glycine transporter-1 as a novel target for developing new OCD treatment. Large-series placebo-controlled, double-blind studies are recommended."
Peter, there is a ketamine enantiomer form that according to Wikipedia has passed phase III trials as an intranasal treatment for depression and probably will get FDA approval for that in the near future. It seems more potent than ketamine:
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esketamine
Interestingly enough, I just found this article that shows the similarities of the D-serine (NMDA agonist) and ketamine (NMDA antagonist) downstream pathways on depression:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jafc.7b04217
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