Following up
on recent posts about PAK1, whose presence is required for 70% of cancers to
grow and MIT have implicated in several types of autism, I have collected all
the data I can find to make trials of PAK1 inhibition in autism.
I contacted
the leading Japanese researcher who has developed PAK1 therapies for various
kinds of tumor, mainly found in neurofibromatosis, but also brain tumors and
even epilepsy. He suggested the dosage
of the CAPE-rich propolis from New Zealand and also suggested another drug
called Fingolimod/Gilenya.
This drug is an
immunomodulating drug, approved for treating multiple sclerosis, but it is also
a PAK1 inhibitor. It appears to cross
the blood brain barrier. The downside it
that Gilenya is hugely
expensive, costing around $50,000 a year.
While
Tonegawa's group at MIT continue to develop their new PAK1 inhibitors, I am
concerned that they will end up with a drug costing as much as Gilenya, which
will put it out of reach of most people, even if it was effective.
So that
brings me back to the trials I propose.
Trial 1 - BIO
30 Propolis
This is a
natural product and as such will appeal to many of this blogs readers. It needs no prescription from your
doctor. You can buy it over the internet
from numerous pharmacies in New Zealand.
The dosage
proposed for autism by the Japanese Researcher is 1-2 ml per 10 kg of body
weight.
It appears that
about 1% of people have an allergy to bee products. If you are in the 99%, it is reported that
even very much larger doses of BIO 30 have no side effects.
Trial 2 - Ivermectin/Stromectol
This is the
cheap drug that is used to treat parasites, but turns out to be a PAK1
inhibitor. It was also recently shown to
kill leukemia cells.
Here I will
draw on the autism worm-dosage used by Dr Wu, who prescribes Ivermectin in the
belief that the autistic kids’ behaviours are driven by worms.
Dr Yu is
combining Ivermectin with other anti-parasite drugs. I am assuming he “got it right for the wrong
reason”, in other words the worms are not the issue, PAK1 is the issue.
Below is the
dosage Dr Yu suggests in his autism presentation and one case report where
there was a before and after evaluation.
Here the ATEC was used, which is a scale designed by Bernard Rimland and Stephen M.Edelson of the Autism Research Institute (the DAN people).
From what I
could find, a single dose of Ivermectin (Stromectol) should kill the
parasites. Pets are given the same drug
on a regular basis, some preventatively.
In low doses
it appears to be very safe, but not in high doses.
Strongyloidiasis is a human parasitic disease
caused by the nematode (roundworm). On
the site RXLIST.com the dosage for Strongyloidiasis is:-
The above is
for a single dose therapy. Dr Wu’s worms
are either much more resilient, or his much higher and multiple dose therapy is
actually working for entirely different reasons.
Trial 3 -
Fingolimod/Gilenya
Given the
huge cost of Gilenya, I cannot imagine anybody trying it for autism. Perhaps Novartis would like to donate some?
We did cover
immunomodulatory therapy in earlier posts and it was Dr Chez who likes to write
about this subject, in relation to autism.
He has published several trials and a good book.
Perhaps he
should do the Gilenya trial?
The Blood Brain Barrier
I did ask
the Japanese researcher if CAPE, the anti-PAK1 ingredient of the New Zealand
propolis can cross the blood brain barrier, since it is claimed that Ivermectin
does not. He says that BIO30 and
Fingolimod/Gilenya cross the BBB.
This brings
me to a slight diversion.
In this
research the aim was to confirm the mechanism behind why inflammation causes
the blood brain barrier (BBB) to leak.
It has been suggested that the leaky BBB is a key part of autism. The less leaky it is the better for
autism. Since pro-inflammatory agents
like histamine and IL-6 really do make autism worse, it is highly relevant that
the research shows that pro-inflammatory agents cause the BBB to let through more of the substances that it is supposed to keep out.
Perhaps the
ever-present pro-inflammatory cytokines found in autism, mean that the BBB is
always partially compromised. A drug
like Ivermectin might therefore pass more freely across the BBB, than would be
expected in other people.
So
Ivermectin might remain a cheap alternative to Gilenya. Dr
Yu’s case studies perhaps warrant some more serious attention.
Will it work?
There are
good reasons why PAK1 inhibition should have a positive effect. It is definitely not quack science, it is the serious MIT kind.
In treating Neurofibromatosis
NF-1 tumors, it does seem to be more effective at stopping new tumors, rather
than shrinking existing ones. This perhaps should not be surprising, since
PAK1 is needed for a tumor to grow and may not be needed for it to live. At much higher doses, it is reported that existing tumors shrink. So with autism, maybe PAK1 is needed early on,
before birth; blocking PAK1 in a 10 year old may be pointless.
The only
way to find out for sure if it works in your type of autism is to try it.
If it does
not work for Monty, aged 10 with ASD, we cannot say it will not work in
somebody’s two year old with a different type of autism.
Also, in
Monty, the PAK1 effect might already be being mitigated by his existing drugs.
It would be
helpful if there was a clinical trial, but there is not.
Conclusion
Trial 1 is
easy to do at home, and if you do it for a month, you would need two bottles of
propolis, costing $50 including shipping from New Zealand.
Since the
Nobel Laureate from MIT tells us that autism requires PAK1 and that, in mouse
models of autism, PAK1 inhibitors are effective treatments, it seems odd nobody
has tried it. In PAK1-driven
Neurofibromatosis, there are now many people claiming BIO30 to be effective. In this condition you can measure/count the
tumors, so I guess they should know if it works.
The MIT-inspired
drugs, like Tonegawa’s FRAX486 will
not be available for many years, and who knows how much they will cost.
In the case
of Ivermectin, somebody really should look at the toxicology data and see how
safe regular usage would be in humans.
The Leukemia researchers proposed this drug be actively developed, but
nothing seems to have happened. Just for
a few days, Trial 2 would not seem to be too risky.
We agree to
leave trial 3 to Dr Chez, in Sacramento.
I'm a parent of a 4 year old diagnosed with ASD (regressive form). I've recently recently discovered your blog, and wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your insight. I am also glad to see a parent like myself searching for a true understanding, and hopefully a cure/treatment that works.
ReplyDeleteIn one of your next posts, you write that you believe that many/most cases of regressive autism is in actuality caused by an infection as is the case with Pandas/Pans. I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile that with Pak 1 inhibition. If it's the infection that's ultimately causing the neuro-inflammation, then it would seem that you would need life-long therapy since you are only treating the symptom. Is it possible that Dr Wyu is right in the sense that you need to kill the underlying infection (parasite?) which would make the case for Invermectin over the bio30?
Nobody can say much for sure regarding autism. I suspect PAK1 will only be relevant for certain types of autism, nobody has gone beyond mouse models. Most of the mouse models seem to be relevant more to Classic Autism.
DeleteI think PANDAS/PANS is a completely different disorder, that just happens to have some symptoms similar to autism.
I think there are likely several different disorders that lead to regressive autism. One parent has tried all "my" drugs on his son with regressive autism and none had any effect. In the Bumetanide clinical trial some people with regressive autism were improved. Unless you live in an area of poor hygiene, parasites would seem highly unlikely to be the problem.
The problem of long term Invermectin use would be its toxicity, short term should not be a problem.
The only way to make progress is to do your own "clinical trials" at home. Most people cannot get access to the drugs and so give up.
Many of the drugs are actually quite easy to get hold of either over the internet or via visiting a country that is not fussy about prescriptions.
My experiments all relate to classic autism, they may or may not be helpful in other types of autism. The best drugs are in my PolyPiIl, and in my son produce a dramatic improvement. I would try each one individually and see what works.
Peter, Have you done your Bio30 trial yet?
ReplyDeleteI am thinking of trying it out very soon.
I have just started experimenting with how to give it. It has a very strong taste and it does not dissolve in water, it just forms caramel-like blobs. It sticks to plastic. It would be easy to waste 50% of the dose. The best idea so far is to put the drops of propolis on a small piece of toast and put Nutella on top. This does work and I get 30 drops in two mouthfuls. The dose suggested by the Japanese researcher is even more than this.
DeleteI assume you are trying the liquid. Have you considered the tablets? Since my son is G-Tube fed, administering liquid medication is very easy and precise for us, so I will be buying the liquid and trying that soon.
ReplyDeleteThanks again for your work. You location of those Australian sprouts has made a big impact on our lives! I am very eager to find out if any of these other innovations will work also.
When you go to bed tonight, please know that you have made a positive impact on another ASD family 1000's of miles away from you.
I don't know what your G-tube is made of, I suppose it is plastic. When I measured propolis in a 2.5 ml plastic spoon, it stained the spoon. Even after being in the dishwasher it did not come clean, I had to scrape it off. So I would suggest mixing it in something to avoid this problem. Perhaps crushing tablets might even be better. I am sure if you buy some US liquid propolis you can experiment on how to give it. If it messes up the G-Tube, it will cause other problems.
ReplyDeleteMaybe propolis mixed in some dense "fluid" it will stay in suspension. In fact the liquid used by compounding pharmacies to make a "syrup" out of crushed pills, might work. Some body else suggested ice cream.
My son will not swallow tablets and the dose is very high so a lot of tablets would be needed.
I am very happy that your son is improving. I suggest you tell your doctor and other parents, since this seems to be the only way to spread the word. I found out recently that some parents were using NAC ten years ago, and yet 99.99% of serious doctors will tell you that autism is untreatable. You will see in the next post on Biotin, that in a small percentage of cases "autism" is indeed very treatable; the answer is there in the literature and nobody acts.
Peter, how is the Propolis trial going?
ReplyDeleteI am using about 2ml per day, which is less than the 3-6ml suggested by the Japanese researcher.
DeleteI cannot be 100% sure of the propolis effect, since I continue to use the broccoli powder, which is itself quite recent. It seems to me that there is now even more speech and indeed my wife thinks there is too much. Some definitely is verbal stereotypy, but much is not. He is just saying everything that is coming into his head and commenting on anything he sees.
The broccoli did increase speech, but it also produced euphoria, which was unmistakable. I think the mood change is the best proof of its effect.
I was hoping to see a cognitive effect from the Propolis, if it really is a PAK1 inhibitor. Memory could also be affected, but that has never been a problem. Signs of cognitive improvement for my son would come from speech, academic work like math, or piano playing.
I think something is changing, so I will continue. But is could also be due to the broccoli.
I am not bothered about repetitive speech or even him talking to himself under his breath. This is a vast step forward from being non-verbal and then “restricted verbal”. I think any "excess" speech can later be redirected to something else.
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteAre you still trying Bio30? Any conclusions yet?
Over Christmas and New Year we were away from home and I decided to keep things simple and stop the Bio30.
DeleteI will restart it.
The conclusions so far are that there are no side effects, at the low starting dose there is no "shock" improvement, but it is possible that there was a gradual cognitive improvement. I remain open-minded.
I am a parent of two sons with regressive autism ages 8 and 10. Each of my sons regressed at 18 months after chronic infections and repeated antibiotic use. My niece ended up on life support after a bacterial infection passed into her blood and my 23 year old cousin died of bacterial meningitis. I was searching for something to reduce high levels of Clostridia and what appeared to be streptococcus when I came upon propolis extract. There was an immediate calming effect. In the past I had to repeatedly treat my children for pinworm infections as they seemed to have no natural resistance. This is no longer the case. I am trying to figure out if the positive effect is because of addressing PANDAS/strep issues or if although it is not Brazilian propolis it is small amounts of CAPE that are responsible. We have also had a high rate of cancer in our family. Unfortunately when I personally stop the propolis I feel terrible so at this point it is not necessarily healing my condition. Thoughts?
ReplyDeleteMelanie, propolis contain many many different substances and it does have known anti-inflammatory effects. To see if it is CAPE that is producing the good effect, why not try a CAPE-rich type of propolis?
DeleteYou could also try curcumin, which is another natural substance with anti-inflammatory effects. There are more expensive versions that are better absorbed. If you add curcumin to fatty food this also increases bio-availability, as does adding black pepper (which includes piperine).
Hi Melanie,
ReplyDeleteOthers may have additional opinions / suggestions, but if you have not yet done so, I would highly recommend getting a genetic test done on both of your sons.
A new world of opportunities opens up when you get a genetic diagnosis.
There are a lot of options out there, including Whole Genome Sequencing, Whole Exome Sequencing, and very specialized panels. I'll share one option with you, as I think it's good one:
https://www.genedx.com/test-catalog/disorders/autism-spectrum-disorders/
We did this one, and it can be done using saliva.
What I like about this one is that you're getting about 2,500 genes tested. WGS / WES may be looking at more genes but this test is really focused on those that may impact ASD.
Again, my best piece of advice for anyone dealing with ASD - if you haven't already done so, I would highly recommend getting a genetic test.
When you get a genetic diagnosis, the options available to you are infinitely greater.
I hope this is helpful Melanie!
AJ