Nibbling on Neurons – This is synaptic pruning
Microglia (red) "nibble" a bit of filopodia (green), the membranous protrusions found primarily on dendritic stretches of developing neurons. Video from Weinhard, et al., Nature Communications, "Microglia remodel synapses by presynaptic trogocytosis and spine head filopodia induction,"
Today it is the post anticipated by Valentia in Uruguay, where it is currently hot and sunny. For Roger it is still winter and he may not be a fan today’s deep dive into the science, but I think he has already got the message about Clemastine’s potential for myelination, including, and importantly for him, in the peripheral nervous system (i.e. for myelination outside the brain).
If my posts get too complicated just skip down to the conclusion. I do go a little off-topic looking at EPA and DHA. We also take a deep look at microglia in psychiatric disorders.
Today we see how Clemastine’s benefit in some people may be related to its effect on microglia. Rather strangely, you can very logically justify Clemastine’s amelioration of depression by its effect on myelin and also Clemastine’s known effect on microglia – which is the effect that really matters?
If you take a step back you may recall that Clemastine’s effect on myelination is by making special cells called oligodendrocytes work harder and add myelin to more axons (a nice graphic of this follows later in this post). Oligodendrocytes are actually in the same class as microglia, they are both glial cells.
Glial Cells
Glial cell have four main functions: (1) to surround neurons and hold them in place; (2) to supply nutrients and oxygen to neurons; (3) to insulate one neuron from another; (4) to destroy pathogens and remove dead neurons. They also play a role in neurotransmission and synaptic connections.
So glial cells are like little housekeeping cells with added room service.
Perhaps we should just consider Clemastine as having a therapeutic effect on glial cells.
In the central nervous system (CNS), glial cells include oligodendrocytes, astrocytes, ependymal cells, and microglia, and in the peripheral nervous system (PNS) glial cells include Schwann cells and satellite cells.
We saw in a previous post that Clemastine also affects those Schwann cells in the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and this is why it might help Roger with myelination outside the brain. Schwann cells do the myelination outside the brain/CNS; the hard to pronounce/remember oligodendrocytes do the myelination inside the brain/CNS.
P2X7 receptors are mainly found in glial cells and immune cells. They play a role in mast cell degranulation. They play a role in neuropathic pain, which is not understood. Neuropathic pain, like bumetanide responsive autism involves the over-expression of NKCC1 and the under-expression of KCC2 leading to elevated intracellular chloride. This suggests that future neuropathic pain drugs could be repurposed for bumetanide responsive autism
Clemastine is known to activate P2X7, so in effect it is an agonist.
Perhaps equally strange, and worth noting, is that when it comes to P2X7, oftentimes Antagonists behaves like an Agonists, so take care before drawing premature conclusions with this receptor. You may need more P2X7 signaling, you might less, or things might well be just fine how they are. This actually applies to most receptors implicated in autism. Different people with autism may respond to the opposite therapy, so best be cautious about making making judgements.
Even with oxidative stress, for some people it is bad thing, while for others it is actually brings benefits (athelites, cancer sufferers etc). In the same person as they age what was good may become bad, and indeed vica versa. This is why we all stand to benefit from personalized medicine.
When an Antagonist behaves like an Agonist – (don’t speak too soon about Clemastine/Berberine, Fatherof2)
P2X7 Receptor Antagonists Display Agonist-like Effects on Cell Signaling Proteins
Conclusions
Several agents used as P2X7R blockers promote the activation of various signaling proteins and thereby act more like receptor agonists than antagonists.
This means your P2X7 blocking natural supplement may actually be having the opposite effect to the one you believe.
As I keep repeating in this blog, for all kinds of reasons, it is very easy to get things the wrong way around. So instead of forwards, try reverse – just like if you get your car stuck in snow.
If Clemastine has a bad effect, try Oxatomide, and vica versa. This of course just applies to their effect on P2X7, both of these allergy drugs affect numerous other receptors as well. In both cases we are talking about a fraction of the allergy dose, so not exactly a risky exercise.
Back to Nibbling on Neurons
Since we have looked at synaptic pruning in earlier posts, I have included recent research that, for the first time, actually shows how microglia prune synapses. It is not quite the way researchers had previously expected.
Synaptic pruning goes awry in autism and we know that microglia are activated rather than being ramified/resting.
Our reader Maja wants to put her daughter’s microglia back to work doing the synaptic pruning; if your microglia are in the activated M1 state, this may be impaired.
Human beings are born with a wealth of synapses, functional contact points between brain cells. Post-mortem studies have shown the brains of newborns show a veritable boom of synaptic connections as they enter childhood. The number of those connections will dramatically decline during adolescence, and researchers think this pruning process is critical to healthy brain development. When the process goes awry, it can lead to incapacitating neurodevelopmental disorders like schizophrenia, as well as neurodegeneration later in life (See “Tracking Neuroinflammation in Development, Neurodegenerative Disease”).
The story of synaptic pruning really rests on post-mortem data. We have tools that can show us evidence that synaptic density is abnormal but that’s not quite the same as being able to say you have evidence that the developmental process of synaptic pruning is the explanation for that. We’ve lacked the tools to properly investigate.”
Cornelius Gross and his team at EMBL hoped to find a way to provide such tools to image what he calls “eating events.”
“The prevailing theory is that microglia were literally eating whole synapses,” he says. “Synapses are so small, and microglia are so dynamic, that most in vivo imaging techniques have not had the time or spatial resolution to see these things.”
They used a combination of light sheet fluorescence microscopy with correlative light and electron microscopy (CLEM) and were able to see that microglia weren’t eating whole connections but “nibbling” off bits and pieces at the point of contact. They were able to visualize microglia send out a thin projection called a filopodia to make contact with a synapse, before doing said “nibbling.”
“This is a selective process. And we saw that the synapse wasn’t fully eliminated—it stayed behind even after it was nibbled. So the microglia eat, but don’t eliminate,” Gross says. “This means that we have to rethink the theory of what microglia are doing when it comes to remodeling these circuits. We believe, instead of removing synapses, they are actually helping to form them. By removing those bits and pieces, they aren’t weakening synapses, they are making space to allow new connections to form.”
“Synaptic pruning, in many ways, is still a big mystery. Microglia are moving all the time. We need to do more studies where we have the time and spatial resolution to see what they are actually doing,” he says. “Now, what we need to find out is what is it about the synapses that get nibbled and those that don’t. What is the ‘eat me’ or ‘don’t eat me’ signal? Once we can better understand these signals, and the logic behind the pruning, we have the possibility of understanding how these cells help guide the brain as it develops.”
Our findings confirm the hypothesis that microglia directly engulf and eliminate synaptic material. However, contrary to previous assumptions, we found no evidence for the phagocytosis of entire synapses. Instead, we observed microglia trogocytosis—or nibbling—of synaptic structures. Importantly, microglia trogocytosis was restricted to presynaptic boutons and axons, with no evidence for elimination of postsynaptic material. Intriguingly, microglia contacts at postsynaptic sites frequently elicited transient filopodia, most of which originated from mature spines. These data support the current hypothesis that microglia can “eat” synaptic material, but point to a more nuanced role for microglia in synapse remodeling that may explain the diverse synaptic alterations observed following the disruption of microglial function.
Instead, our data show that only small fragments (250 nm average diameter, Fig. 3) of the presynaptic compartment are engulfed by microglia. This partial elimination, or trogocytosis (from the Greek trogo: to nibble) has been previously described in immune and amoeboid cells18,26,27 that ingest small parts (< 1 µm) of their targets within a few minutes, a timeframe compatible with our observations (Fig. 4)
BHB and Benfotiamine
I did write about the Chinese research showing how the ketone BHB causes the ramification of microglia, this means switching them from an activated state to a resting (ramified state).
We also saw on earlier occasions of how the antibiotic minocycline has a well known of switching microglia back to a resting state.
Our guest blogger Seth Bittker wrote this post below in 2016.
Benfotiamine is a derivative of vitamin B1 that is used as a drug to treat neuropathy in Eastern Europe, Russia and Asia. It is also sold as a supplement.
As Agnieszka has highlighted Benfotiamine has a known effect on calming activated microglia.
Therefore, benfotiamine may have therapeutic potential for neurodegenerative diseases by inhibiting inflammatory mediators and enhancing anti-inflammatory factor production in activated microglia.
Depression, Myelin, Mice and Clemastine
Here is the case for Clemastine improving symptoms of depression by enhancing myelination. It seems to work for mice at least.
Source: https://atlasofscience.org/promoting-myelination-as-a-strategy-to-rescue-depressive-like-behavior/
Altered myelin structure and oligodendrocyte function have been shown to correlate with cognitive and motor dysfunction and deficits in social behavior. We and others have previously demonstrated that social isolation in mice induced behavioral, transcriptional, and ultrastructural changes in oligodendrocytes of the prefrontal cortex (PFC). However, whether enhancing myelination and oligodendrocyte differentiation could be beneficial in reversing such changes remains unexplored. To test this hypothesis, we orally administered clemastine, an antimuscarinic compound that has been shown to enhance oligodendrocyte differentiation and myelination in vitro, for 2 weeks in adult mice following social isolation. Clemastine successfully reversed social avoidance behavior in mice undergoing prolonged social isolation. Impaired myelination was rescued by oral clemastine treatment, and was associated with enhanced oligodendrocyte progenitor differentiation and epigenetic changes. Clemastine induced higher levels of repressive histone methylation (H3K9me3), a marker for heterochromatin, in oligodendrocytes, but not neurons, of the PFC. This was consistent with the capability of clemastine in elevating H3K9 histone methyltransferases activity in cultured primary mouse oligodendrocytes, an effect that could be antagonized by cotreatment with muscarine. Our data suggest that promoting adult myelination is a potential strategy for reversing depressive-like social behaviour.
Clemastine is a leading candidate for myelin formation, identified from a high-throughput screening using a library containing Food and Drug Administration-approved small compounds (Mei et al., 2014). It has been shown to promote OPC differentiation in vitro and remyelination after demyelinating lesions in mice (Deshmukh et al., 2013; Mei et al., 2014; Li et al., 2015). A recent study has shown a beneficial effect in restoring spatial working memory in mice treated with clemastine following 6 weeks of cuprizone diet, a diet that induces demyelination (Li et al., 2015). Here we hypothesized that enhancing myelination could be beneficial for rescuing social withdrawal behavior in socially isolated mice. The effects of oral clemastine treatment in mice after 8 weeks of social isolation were assessed by social interaction and myelination in the PFC. We also examined epigenetic modifications in both neuron and oligodendrocyte populations and detected a specific effect of repressive histone methylation in oligodendrocytes, but not neurons, by clemastine treatment. The study below suggests a positive effect of enhanced myelination and oligodendrocyte differentiation in reversing depressive-like behavior in adult mice.
SIGNIFICANCE STATEMENT Oligodendrocyte development and myelination are highly dynamic processes influenced by experience and neuronal activity. However, whether enhancing myelination and oligodendrocyte differentiation is beneficial to treat depressive-like behavior has been unexplored. Mice undergoing prolonged social isolation display impaired myelination in the prefrontal cortex. Clemastine, a Food and Drug Administration-approved antimuscarinic compound that has been shown to enhance myelination under demyelinating conditions, successfully reversed social avoidance behavior in adult socially isolated mice. This was associated with enhanced myelination and oligodendrocyte differentiation in the prefrontal cortex through epigenetic regulation. Thus, enhancing myelination may be a potential means of reversing depressive-like social behaviour.
Discussion
Here we reported that enhanced myelination and OPC differentiation are beneficial for reversing depressive-like behavior in adult mice. Clemastine successfully enhanced myelination and OPC differentiation, and was sufficient to rescue social avoidance behavior in socially isolated mice. Clemastine and other muscarinic antagonists have been recently identified from drug-screening assays to promote OPC differentiation and myelination (Deshmukh et al., 2013; Mei et al., 2014; Li et al., 2015), although the underlying mechanism remains undefined. Subtypes of muscarinic receptors have been shown to be expressed in OPCs and mature oligodendrocytes (De Angelis et al., 2012). One possibility is that clemastine directly acts on these receptors in OPCs by favoring chromatin compaction, which has been shown to play a critical role in OPC lineage progression (Liu et al., 2012, 2015). In fact, clemastine is capable of promoting OPC differentiation (Mei et al., 2014) and activating H3K9 HMTs in cultured primary oligodendrocytes (Fig. 3) in the absence of neuronal or astrocytic signals. Levels of H3K9me3, the outcome of activated HMTs, were specifically enhanced in oligodendrocytes, but not neurons, in the PFC of socially isolated mice, thereby supporting a direct and cell-autonomous effect on oligodendrocyte differentiation. A potentially alternative mechanism of action of clemastine, as a muscarinic receptor antagonist, was suggested by the activation of Akt/mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) pathways induced in synaptoneurosomes by scopolamine, a nonselective muscarinic antagonist (Voleti et al., 2013; Navarria et al., 2015). The Akt/mTOR pathway is a well characterized positive regulator of oligodendrocyte differentiation and myelination (Wood et al., 2013; Wahl et al., 2014). Therefore, similar signaling pathways could be activated in oligodendrocytes following clemastine treatment, which directly results in OPC differentiation and myelination.
Lack of social experience has been shown to induce impaired myelination in the PFC of juvenile and adult mice (Liu et al., 2012; Makinodan et al., 2012). It is widely accepted that exposure to stress in rodents altered neuronal activity in the PFC and resulted in depressive-like behavior (Covington et al., 2005, 2010; Veeraiah et al., 2014). Selective activation of neurons in PFC through optogenetic stimulation provided an antidepressant effect in a mouse model of depression (Covington et al., 2010). Increased neuronal activity through optogenetic manipulation in the mouse premotor cortex has been shown to promote myelination and oligodendrogenesis (Gibson et al., 2014). Therefore, a potential explanation for the impaired myelination detected in socially isolated mice could be diminished neuronal activity in the PFC. Here we demonstrated that clemastine-induced adult myelination is sufficient to rescue the depressive-like behavior in socially isolated rodents, thereby potentially overcoming the lack of activity of specific circuitry involving PFC and consequent behavioral deficits. However, one caution should be made when interpreting our results as we cannot exclude the possibility that clemastine-induced myelination and OPC differentiation could be a secondary effect of the drug on the neuronal circuitry. Systemic as well as local infusion of scopolamine had been previously shown to increase neuronal activity in the PFC by altering glutamate transmission and provided an antidepressant effect in the forced swim test of mice (Voleti et al., 2013; Navarria et al., 2015). Therefore, although specific PFC circuitry was not activated by “exogenous” social stimuli, neuronal activity could be altered through clemastine uptake, which in turn resulted in myelination enhancement. The precise mechanism of clemastine-mediated enhanced myelination and OPC differentiation in our model remains to be identified.
In summary, we propose that enhancing oligodendrocyte differentiation and myelination in the adult brain contributes to reverse depressive-like behaviors in mice. Thus, our findings provide a new insight into the role of myelination and oligodendrocyte function in modulating emotional behavior, and might be helpful for designing novel strategies to ameliorate psychiatric symptoms in mental disorders.
Now “Take 2”, for Microglia as the mode of action
Depression, Microglia, Mice and Clemastine
Backgrounds: Abundant reports indicate that neuroinflammatory signaling contributes to behavioral complications associated with depression and may be related to treatment response. The glial cells, especially microglia and astrocytes in brain regions of hippocampus and medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC), are major components of CNS innate immunity. Moreover, purinergic receptor P2X, ligand-gated ion channel 7 (P2X7R) was recently reckoned as a pivotal regulator in central immune system. Besides, it was pointed out that clemastine, a first-generation histamine receptor H1 (HRH1) antagonist with considerable safety profile and pharmacological effect, may suppress immune activation through modulating P2X7R. Herein, we investigated the potential anti-neuroinflammatory effects of clemastine on chronic unpredictable mild stress (CUMS)-induced depressive-like behavior in a mouse model.
Methods: Male BALB/c mice were subjected to CUMS for 4 weeks, some of them were injected with clemastine fumarate solution. After the stress procedure, behavioral tests including Sucrose Preference Tests (SPTs), Tail Suspension Tests (TSTs) and locomotor activities were performed to evaluate depressive-like phenotype. Subsequently, expression of cytokines and microglia-related inflammatory biomarkers were assessed.
Results: In the present research, we found that clemastine significantly reversed both the declination of SPT percentage and the extension of TST immobility durations in depression mouse model without affecting locomotor activity. Also, we observed that clemastine regulated the imbalance of pro-inflammatory cytokines including interleukin-1 beta (IL-1β) and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-α) in the hippocampus and serum of depressive-like mice. Additionally, clemastine significantly suppressed microglial M1-like activation specifically in the hippocampus, and also improved hippocampal astrocytic loss. Furthermore, clemastine downregulated hippocampal P2X7R without interfering with the expression of HRH1.
Conclusion: As a safe and efficient anti-allergic agent, clemastine could impressively alleviate stress-related depressive-like phenotype in mice. Further evidence supported that it was because of the potential function of clemastine in modulating the expression of P2X7 receptor possibly independent of HRH1, therefore suppressing the microglial M1-like activation and pro-inflammatory cytokines release in brain regions of hippocampus rather than mPFC.
Totally, we conclude the central immune imbalance which resulted from the activation of microglia and astrocytes may be responsible for depressive-like behavior induced by chronic unpredictable mild stress. When it shifts towards a M1-like proinflammatory polarization, various of deleterious cytokines would be secreted and then interfered with the normal function of central neurons and glial cells, leading to specific behavioral changes. To our knowledge, P2X7 receptor and downstream signaling might be a vital regulator in maintaining the aforementioned equilibration. As a safe and efficient anti-allergic agent, clemastine could significantly ameliorate stress-related depressive-like phenotype in mice. Further evidence supported that it was because of the potential function of clemastine in downregulating P2X7R independent of histamine H1 receptor, therefore suppressing the M1-like microglial activation and inflammatory cytokines release in brain region of hippocampus other than mPFC.
Now for Microglia in other human psychiatric disorders
This subject is complex; you could consider it as a balancing act as in the graphic below between M1 and M2 states of microglia. It is more complex because within M2 are various sub-states.
The resting (or ramified, in the jargon) microglia is called M0.
Role of Microglial M1/M2 Polarization in Relapse and Remission of Psychiatric Disorders and Diseases
Abstract
Psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia and major depressive disorder were thought to be caused by neurotransmitter abnormalities. Patients with these disorders often experience relapse and remission; however the underlying molecular mechanisms of relapse and remission still remain unclear. Recent advanced immunological analyses have revealed that M1/M2 polarization of macrophages plays an important role in controlling the balance between promotion and suppression in inflammation. Microglial cells share certain characteristics with macrophages and contribute to immune-surveillance in the central nervous system (CNS). In this review, we summarize immunoregulatory functions of microglia and discuss a possible role of microglial M1/M2 polarization in relapse and remission of psychiatric disorders and diseases. M1 polarized microglia can produce pro-inflammatory cytokines, reactive oxygen species, and nitric oxide, suggesting that these molecules contribute to dysfunction of neural network in the CNS. Alternatively, M2 polarized microglia express cytokines and receptors that are implicated in inhibiting inflammation and restoring homeostasis. Based on these aspects, we propose a possibility that M1 and M2 microglia are related to relapse and remission, respectively in psychiatric disorders and diseases. Consequently, a target molecule skewing M2 polarization of microglia may provide beneficial therapies for these disorders and diseases in the CNS.
Classically activated microglia (M1 polarized microglia) can produce pro-inflammatory cytokines, reactive oxygen species (ROS), and nitric oxide (NO), implying their contribution to neural network dysfunction in the CNS. On the other hand, alternatively activated microglia (M2 polarized microglia) can express cytokines and receptors that are implicated in inhibiting inflammation and restoring homeostasis.
Schizophrenia
Hypothetical model of relationship between M1/M2 microglia activities and symptom severity in schizophrenia. (A) In the early stage of schizophrenia, symptoms may be followed by microglial M1 polarization which is induced by neuronal hyperactivation in insula, inferior frontal gyrus, and hippocampus, possible initiating brain regions of the disorder. M1 microglia can produce pro-inflammatory cytokines and remove the damaged nerve fibers by phagocytosis, whereas M2 microglia down-regulate M1 microglial function and restore tissue homeostasis with consequent attenuation of symptoms. (B) If M2 polarization of microglia is insufficient, M1 microglial functions are maintained and induce neural network dysfunctions continuously. Symptom severity may gradually become high according to the frequency of M1 polarization.
Major Depressive Disorder
Possible roles of M1/M2 microglia in neural network functions, activities of monoamine neurons, and symptoms in major depressive disorder. In healthy individuals, prefrontal cortex regulates neural circuitry of mood including amygdala and dopamine neurons projecting from VTA (ventral tegmental area) to NAc (nucleus accumbens) (1, 2). In patients with major depressive disorder, hyperactivation of neural circuitry induces M1 polarization of microglia (3), resulting in dysfunction of nerve fibers between prefrontal cortex and the neural circuitry (4) and hypoactivation of 5-HT neurons projecting from raphe nucleus to prefrontal cortex (5). Dysfunction of prefrontal cortex can reduce activity of dopamine neurons projecting from VTA to NAc (6). Hypoactivation of prefrontal cortex and NAc are associated with depressed mood and loss of interest/pleasure, respectively. M2 microglia restore homeostasis of nerve fibers and 5-HT biosynthesis, recoverig dysfunction of prefrontal cortex and NAc (7, 8).
Molecules to Skew M2 Polarization of Microglia
7.1. Endocannabinoids and Cannabinoid Receptors
Based on these results, it is strongly suggested that 2-AG-CB1 axis contributes to polarization and maintenance of M1 microglia, while 2-AG-CB2 axis acts as a switch from M1 to M2 polarization of microglia (Figure 4). CB2 agonists are known to induce phosphorylation of AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK), suggesting that the CB2 plays an important role in AMPK-mediated anti-oxidative and cytoprotective effects [119,120,121]. Furthermore, 2-AG is reported to activate PPAR-γ in M2 macrophages [122]. Thus, AMPK may be one of key signal molecules for the switch to M2 polarization. Besides endocannabinoids, adiponectin and ghrelin can induce down-stream signal transduction of their receptors via AMPK and therefore these molecules may be involved in skewing M2 polarization of microglia
7.2. Anti-Inflammatory and Pro-Resolving Lipid Mediators
The analyses of cellular and molecular mechanisms of the resolution of inflammation have revealed the key roles of anti-inflammatory and pro-resolving lipid mediators such as lipoxin A4, resolvin D1, resolvin E1, and protectin D1 [125]. These mediators are mainly biosynthesized from docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) or arachidonic acid by 15-lipoxygenase [125]. Resolvin D1 and lipoxin A4 are known to exhibit an agonistic activity at GPR32 and lipoxin A4 receptor/N‑formyl peptide receptor 2 (ALX/FPR2) [126]. Resolvin D1 up-regulates the levels of micro-RNAs (miR-208a and miR-219) and enhances IL-10 production by peritoneal exudate macrophages in zymosan-induced peritonitis in ALX/FPR2 transgenic mice [126]. Furthermore, it has been reported that resolvin D1 and DHA can induce M2 polarization of macrophages [127] and that ALX/FPR2 is expressed on macrophages and microglia [128]. A double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical studies revealed that the transition rate to psychotic disorder is significant lower in ARMS individuals received with capsules containing DHA and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) as compared with placebo-treated controls [129]. Furthermore, ethyl-EPA in combination with antipsychotics has been reported to improve PANSS scores significantly in schizophrenia patients [130]. From these results, it is strongly suggested that anti-inflammatory and pro-resolving lipid mediators such as resolvin D1 and lipoxin A4 play an important role in polarization and maintenance of M2 microglia (Figure 4).
Possible roles of the cannabinoid receptors in M1/M2 polarization of microglia. 2-AG released from M1 microglia promotes production of pro-inflammatory cytokines and mediators by M1 microglia via CB1 and then induces down-regulation of CB1. On the other hand, 2-AG stimulates M2 polarization of microglia via CB2. Subsequently, M2 microglia can produce IL-10 and anti-inflammatory/pro-resolving lipid mediators (resolvin D1 and lipoxin A4).
NOTE THAT
Endocannabinoid system
It is found that the anti-inflammatory lipid lipoxin A4 is an endogenous allosteric enhancer of the CB1 cannabinoid receptor. Lipoxin A4 enhance the affinity of anandamide at this receptor to exert cannabimimetic effects in the brain, by allosterically enhancing AEA signaling and thereby potentiating the effects of this endocannabinoid both in vitro and in vivo. In addition to this, lipoxin A4 display a CB1 receptor-dependent protective effect against β-amyloid-induced spatial memory impairment in mice.
In this review, we provide a hypothesis that M1 and M2 phenotypes of microglia are closely related to relapse and remission, respectively, in psychiatric disorders and diseases. M1 polarization of microglia seems to induce dysfunction of the neural network in the CNS. Specifically, it is presumed that M1 microglia-induced dysregulation of prefrontal cortex for the neural circuitries of mood and pain results in symptoms of major depressive disorder, vascular depression, chronic pain, and migraine. M2 polarized microglia presumably attenuate M1 microglia-mediated neuroinflammation by production of anti-inflammatory cytokine, IL-10. On the other hand, further studies on M2 microglial functions are necessary to understand their exact roles in neuroinflammation, because M2 macrophages seem to induce Th2-type inflammatory conditions [131,132]. Since endocannabinoids, adiponectin, ghrelin, or anti-inflammatory/pro-resolving lipid mediators appear to skew M2 polarization of microglia, modulation of these molecules may afford favorable approaches for treatment of vascular depression to reduce a risk for neurocognitive disorders. Consequently, the molecules skewing M2 phenotype of microglia may provide a beneficial therapy to attenuate relapse of psychiatric disorders and diseases.
Note the role of IL-4, Resolvins and Lipoxins in the graphic below
At the M0 state (top), resting microglia function in a surveillance and detection mode, which appears to be regulated by various nuclear receptor pathways and select miRNAs: miR-124, miR-689 and miR-711. Upon detection of a danger or pattern molecule, the resting status is disrupted and transitions to the M1 state (right). The M1 phenotype is the “classic activation” status and prominently induces canonical M1 marker genes, e.g. IL-1β, TNF-α and IL-6. miR-124 and miR-689 are critical in initiation of the transition from the M0 to the M1 state. The M1 phenotype appears to be fully mediated by miR-155, which targets the STAT3 pathway for enabling the M1-phenotype. Later, through transition from M1 to M2 or through direct IL-4 stimulation (dashed line), microglia may enter the M2a status, characterized as an anti-inflammatory and resolution phenotype. As observed with in M1, down-regulation in miR-124 and miR-711 appears to be important for release from the M0-phenotype and transition to the M2 status. The M2a-phenotype appears to rely on induction of miR-145, which may regulate the ETS1 pathway. Lastly, IL-4 signaling is dependent on STAT6, TRIM24, and CREB1 along with select nuclear receptor signaling: PPARα/γ and RARα.
Neuroinflammation is recognised as one of the potential mechanisms mediating the onset of a broad range of psychiatric disorders and may contribute to nonresponsiveness to current therapies. Both preclinical and clinical studies have indicated that aberrant inflammatory responses can result in altered behavioral responses and cognitive deficits. In this review, we discuss the role of inflammation in the pathogenesis of neuropsychiatric disorders and ask the question if certain genetic copy-number variants (CNVs) associated with psychiatric disorders might play a role in modulating inflammation. Furthermore, we detail some of the potential treatment strategies for psychiatric disorders that may operate by altering inflammatory responses.
Potential mechanism of microglia activation in psychiatric disorders. Neuroinflammation is one of the key components of the pathogenic mechanisms underlying several psychiatric disorders and is often associated with microglial activation/dysfunction. Accumulating evidence indicate that M1-like microglia (proinflammatory) are significantly increased in comparison to ramified microglia (resting) and elongated M2-like microglia (anti-inflammatory) phenotypes in disease states. The levels of M1-like microglia in brain predominate and potentially can be associated with the severity of the disease, suggesting an imbalance in M1/M2 phenotype. M1-like microglia are characterized by the expression of MHC class II antigens and by the production of proinflammatory cytokines and nitric oxide synthase (iNOS). Continued production of proinflammatory cytokines can lead to neuronal damage, astrogliosis, plasticity, and cognitive decline. Peripherally derived macrophages and monocytes also participate in the inflammatory response. It is likely that during early stage of disease onset microglia can have phenotypic switch to an alternative state knows as M2-like phenotype, which are characterized by presence of surface markers like Arginase 1 and mannose receptor CD206, leading to resolution of inflammatory response by secretion of anti-inflammatory cytokines. The efficacy of the anti-inflammatory drug targeting M1/M2 balance will significantly depend on therapeutic time window and severity of symptoms associated with the diseases.
5.7. Autism Spectrum Disorder
Little is found on anti-inflammatory treatment in autism spectrum disorder so far. Add-on of celecoxib (up to 300 mg/day) to risperidone treatment in a study on 40 children suffering from autism leads to significant improvements of scores in irritability, social withdrawal, and stereotypy [191]. However, an open-label study in 11 children on treatment with 1.4 mg/kg body weight of minocycline found no clinical improvements after 6 months (measured using Clinical Global Impression Severity Scale, Clinical Global Impression Severity Scale Improvement, and Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales). IL-8 was found significantly decreased in serum and cerebrospinal fluid, while other cytokines, that is, TNF-α, CD40L, IL-6, IFN-γ, and IL-1β, were unchanged [192].
Conclusion
Treating Depression - Myelin, Microglia or Both?
It looks to me that the answer when treating depression with Clemastine, is likely both improved myelination and shifting microglia away from the M1 state play a key role.
It is amazing that all this is potentially possible from a small dose of Clemastine, an OTC antihistamine.
It is clear that clemastine might well be therapeutic in human schizophrena, where both activated microglia and poor myelination are implicated. We previously saw promise in mouse studies, like this one:-
What about autism?
Impaired myelination and activated microglia are a known feature of autism.
One of those popular autism “protocols” trending on social media, the Nemechek Protocol “was designed to shift the harmful inflammatory microglia into their healthy, repairing mode of behavior (called phenotypic shifting) and allow the brain's natural repair mechanisms to reverse the cumulative brain injury.” Nemecheck recommends a combination of Inulin, Omega 3 oil and olive oil which he says will treat SIBO (Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth), this will reduce the production of harmful propionic acid and shift activated microglia back to M0 and then the brain will repair itself. I have no idea what percentage of people with autism, ADHD or Alzheimer’s actually respond.
It seems Nemechek recommends a high DHA omega 3 oil.
Here is a good place to note that while the brain has plenty of DHA it has no EPA and neither standard supplements containing DHA nor EPA can pass through the blood brain barrier.
It is thought that in neurological conditions, including but not limited to Alzheimer’s, the presence of EPA and additional DHA might be therapeutic. Only recently has the transport mechanism of DHA across the BBB been understood.
You might wonder why omega 3 is being used to treat conditions of the brain such as ADHD, chronic fatigue syndrome and indeed sometimes autism.
We should note that inflammation outside the brain does affect inflammatory markers inside the brain. So reducing omega 6 and increasing omega 3 levels in your blood might well give you some benefit to your brain even though none actually crossed the blood brain barrier.
The next generation of EPA and DHA will cross the blood brain barrier and who knows what their effect will be.
In diseases that features low DHA in the brain like Alzheimer’s you need LPC DHA, rather than any of the current products.
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is uniquely concentrated in the brain, and is essential for its function, but must be mostly acquired from diet. Most of the current supplements of DHA, including fish oil and krill oil, do not significantly increase brain DHA, because they are hydrolyzed to free DHA and are absorbed as triacylglycerol, whereas the transporter at blood brain barrier is specific for phospholipid form of DHA.
LPC-EPA, but not free EPA, increased brain DHA 2-fold. Free EPA increased EPA in adipose tissue, and both supplements increased EPA and DHA in the liver and heart. Only LPC-EPA increased EPA and DHA in retina, and expression of BDNF, CREB, and 5-HT1A receptor in the brain. These novel results show that brain EPA can be increased through diet. Because LPC-EPA increased both EPA and DHA in the brain, it may help treat depression as well as neuroinflammatory diseases, such as Alzheimers disease.
Getting enough of the omega 3 fatty acids DHA and EPA into the brain to study their effects on conditions such as Alzheimer's and depression -- which they have been shown to help -- is no easy task. While supplements containing these fatty acids exist, there is scant evidence showing that these supplements actually increase DHA or EPA in the brain. To measurably increase levels of EPA in the brain, a person would have to consume a small glass of it each day, quite possibly with the side effect of smelling like fish.
Now researchers from the University of Illinois at Chicago report that adding a lysophospholipid form of EPA (LPC-EPA) to the diet can increase levels of EPA in the brain 100-fold in mice. The amount of LPC-EPA in the diet required for this increase is rather small for mice -- less than a milligram per day. The human equivalent would amount to less than a quarter of a gram per day.
He reports that providing EPA in the form of lysophospholipid, unlike the type present in fish oil supplements, escapes degradation by pancreatic enzymes which render it unable to pass into the brain.
"It seems that there is a transporter at the blood-brain barrier that EPA must pass through in order to get into the brain, but EPA in fish oil can't get through, whereas LPC-EPA can," Subbaiah said. "You don't have to consume all that much LPC- EPA to have significant increases of EPA show up in the brain, so this could be a way to do rigorous studies on the effects of EPA in humans," Subbaiah said.
Producing LPC-EPA is not difficult
So if you buy Omega 3 oil for brain function it would ideally be LPC (lysophosphatidylcholine). It may not be hard to produce, but nobody currently sells it.
Back to microglia
In simple terms unless you are sick, it is best to have microglia in the M0 state. The M2 state is OK, but the M1 state is bad.
Many immunomodulatory therapies will affect your Microglia.
Azithromycin will shift microglia from M1 to M2.
3.1. Minocycline. Minocycline is a second-generation tetracycline with a variety of nonantibiotic biological effects, such as neuroprotection in experimental models of TBI, ischemia, and neurodegenerative diseases [39]. The anti inflammation effect is the most well-known advantage of the neuroprotective effects of minocycline. A series of studies have demonstrated that minocycline can inhibit microglial activation, using pan-microglial markers in TBI, SCI, SAH, and cerebral ischemia [40–45].
3.2. Etanercept
3.3. Statins.
3.7. Rosiglitazone. As a peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor- (PPAR-) 𝛾 agonist, rosiglitazone is not only an antidiabetic drug but also a neuroprotective agent, and it has shown various effects in treating brain ischemia [103], TBI [104], and SAH [105]. A study demonstrated rosiglitazone’s ability to attenuate microglia/macrophage activation and neuronal loss after TBI [104]. In mouse models of focal cerebral ischemia and progressive Parkinson’s disease, rosiglitazone showed the ability to promote microglial M2 polarization[103,106].Another PPAR-𝛾 agonist pioglitazone has also been reported to decrease the M1/M2 ratio in experimental Alzheimer’s disease
3.8. Azithromycin. Many macrolide antibiotics might have neuroprotective effects. Among them, azithromycin is an extraordinary drug with the effect of reducing infarct volume, decreasing brain edema, and increasing neurological deficit scores in acute ischemic damage [108]. Additionally, azithromycin had the effect of altering the macrophage phenotype from proinflammatory M1 to alternatively activated M2 cells
It looks like BHB/C8 and Clemastine should all help shift activated microglia back to the resting state, M0. Benfotiamine’s effect is slightly different, but if you had “over-activated microglia” it might reduce the damage they cause. The classic research treatment for activated microglia is the old antibiotic minocycline. In a small trial at Johns Hopkins in exclusively regressive autism, a 6 month course of minocycline had no benefit.
Clemastine should promote myelination. A further boost might well come from a PDE4 inhibitor like Ibudilast, or indeed Ling’s Pterostilbene.
I have to say that adding BHB/C8 and Clemastine to Monty’s Polypill does produce a cognitive and speech benefit. It does seem that Clemastine itself has an incremental effect.
What about Cannabinoid Receptors CB1 and CB2?
Today’s research does indeed suggest CB1 and CB2 receptors could be used to alter the M0, M1, M2 balance.
Clemastine as a potential intervention in children with autism
It is notable that among the “early adopters” of a clemastine trial are some of our doctor readers. Why is that?
The key point for any therapy for children with autism has to be safety. If a decades-old drug has already been used long term in children there is going to be reliable safety information.
Many drugs are going to have some effect, be it positive or negative, on neurological disorders like autism, but that in itself is not sufficient. All drugs can have side effects and many prescription drugs have significant side effects, that is why you need a prescription.
Many supplements also can have negative effects, as recently highlighted by another reader of this blog.
Any thoughts on this new study? 'Cytotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction caused by the dietary supplement l-norvaline' Journal: Toxicology in Vitro
Some chronic conditions are treated with drugs that have proved themselves over decades to be well tolerated, but even then there can be people who encounter rare side effects. Some people even react to the colorant used on the outside of the pill.
The attraction of a PolyPill or indeed a PolyPowder, like SpectrumNeeds below, is that you can deliver a combination of different therapies in a convenient way.
The big disadvantage of a Generic PolyPill/PolyPowder is that there will most definitely be people for whom the overall product is beneficial, except for one ingredient to which that person has a negative reaction.
In the case of SpectrumNeeds, a group of MAPS doctors have sat down and created an all-in-one product. Note Dr Frye’s calcium folinate for example.
If you look at the ingredients you will see items for which we have seen in this blog there will be a negative reaction in a substantial number of people. Biotin and vitamin B12 are good examples.
High doses of B vitamins do seem to help some people, but quite often the effect later becomes negative.
Unfortunately, it is the case that you need a personalized pill/powder, however inconvenient that might be.
Cost
Having established that the drug does not cause harmful side effects in long term use and that it is beneficial therapeutically, we come to cost and availability.
Here Clemastine, at a modest dose, would be a big winner.
It is cheap, OTC in some countries, and even sold on eBay (from Latvia).
My 120 tablets of Clemastine cost me $20 and at my dose would last 8 months and at Maja’s dose 16 months. Even if marginally effective you might continue.
Years ago I tried BIO 30 propolis as a PAK1 inhibitor. It did seem to have a small positive effect on cognition, but it is expensive, comes from New Zealand and is a liquid. Some other people have found it beneficial for their “autism”. I did not continue with BIO 30 propolis. We have to wait for Roche to commercialize FRAX 486 as a drug to inhibit PAK1.
SpectrumNeeds will cost $77 plus tax and shipping. For a teenager, that will last you 20 days.
If SpectrumNeeds significantly improves your case of “autism” that would be great. I think someone with severe autism is going to need more, much more.
The key elements of Monty’s PollyPill are cheap generic drugs. The most expensive part is the NAC supplement. The cheapest part is the tiny dose of Clonazepam which costs less than 1 cent a day.
My current PolyPill costs me about $2.20 a day (half of the total cost is NAC).
The daily cost of my 6+ months BHB/C8 trial is another $2 a day.
The Clemastine trial dose costs 17 cents a day.
If it can stay below $5 a day, the “final” version of my PolyPill will end up costing like a large cup of Starbucks coffee. Our Australian reader Liz has a daughter who fortunately responds well to the PolyPill and I recall, as well as being very frank about dealing with her doctor, she highlighted how “affordable” the PolyPill really is.
“Peter has made poly pill very affordable which makes it so accessible to many families.”
I did show her comments at home, at this point I recall being asked “Peter, what are you selling?”
Peter is actually not selling anything. Everything is already available. Your PolyPill is likely to be different to the one that fortunately works not just for Monty but Liz in Australia and Thomas in Greece etc. Thomas is indeed a common Greek name, Θωμάς; he was one of the 12 apostles after all.
The costs of interventions do matter, even though it is rarely a subject raised in the comments. I hate to think how much any future new drugs for autism will cost. A simple to produce, but patented, new drug for cystic fibrosis costs $150,000 a year and not surprisingly some government funded health systems refuse to pay. I wonder what Servier will charge for their bumetanide syrup for autism when it hits the market in Europe in about 3 years time. What do Curemark hope to charge for their CM-AT enzyme mixture?
SpectrumNeeds would cost $1,400 a year for a teenager, I suppose a drug maker would ask 3-10 times more for his patented new autism drug in the US, and less in the rest of the world.
I think other than establishing the effective dose of Clemastine in at least some “autism”, enough has been said.
The next post (“Who lives in Libya?”) will be on the effect of BHB salts, BHB esters and C8 on the level of BHB in your blood and some anecdotes of the effect of taking BHB/C8 + Clemastine. It will thankfully be brief, but I did learn a lot from today's deep dive into the research.
Dear Peter, before I even start considering a trial of C8/BHB - my daughter is through her own choice on a largely keto diet. Is it ok to add additional ketones? Also, the polypill is soooooo much easier to master for parents of pill swallowing minions :-). My little purple minion has recently taken against it all and one recent consult was spent 1/2 of the time defining her vitamin needs and 1/2 how to get them into her. I guess this is where Spectrumneeds and other ‘all in one’ packages come from. How I long for the days when we could put it all into a praline, leave the praline on the table and then pretend that she cant have it...
ReplyDeleteYou can always measure her level of ketones, using urine testing strips, like AJ does with his daughter. It is likely to be very low.
DeleteI think most people buying keto supplements are already on a ketogenic diet. Keto supplements, other than BHB esters, only make a relatively small increase in blood levels of BHB.
I have the same challenges with my oldest when it comes to not swallowing pills or capsules. At this point making yucky stuff taste palatable in liquid form has become a dark art for myself that I might as well get myself a big black cauldron and a pointy hat.
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DeleteTyler, tell me if you need an apprentice! If a pointy hat was all that was needed...
/Ling
Peter, global warming is felt, I do not remember such a hot summer. Great post, it was worth the wait, I think that all things considered, instead of the drugs I will try benfotiamine.
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Peter I have a doubt about the dose,the study says that the optimal dose is 250 nm, I don't know in mg what would be. Seth said that 120 mg was good for him but may be it is not the right dose to inhibit microglia or realease the antiinflammatory IL10.
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Valentia, if you read this interview that Seth made
Deletehttps://autismrc.com/2016/04/16/autism-research-connections-3-a-conversation-with-dr-derrick-lonsdale/
Dr Lonsdale says that TTFD Thianine is better than benfotiamine, because it actually crosses the blood brain barrier.
The research on microglia used benfotiamine.
It is sold as a supplement called Allithianine and as a drug.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435522/
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Our results show that, though benfotiamine strongly increases thiamine levels in blood and liver, it has no significant effect in the brain.
Thanks Peter!
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Peter, if you look closely to the figures of that first paper you mention on "Dietary docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) as lysophosphatidylcholine" you will see that the researchers actually try to hide their failed hypothesis.
ReplyDeleteTheir hypothesis was that LC-DHA would be much better than for example krill oil. But in the figures you'll se that the most successful (at east in brain) "sn-2 DHA LPC" anonymous compound is almost not mentioned in the text.
In fact it is krill oil.
So, while nobody is selling LPC-EPA, you can get some EPA in this format from krill oil already today. Only it contains some additional DHA too, that you maybe want to be without.
/Ling
I noticed that when I googled it, all-knowing google offered me a gazillion results for krill oil. I stored that info to resolve later, thanks for the resolution.
DeleteLing, it certainly is presented in a confusing way, but in the paper the four bars in the charts are:-
Delete1. The Control
2. Free DHA
3. Stereo Isomer 1 of LPC DHA
4. Stereo Isomer 2 of LPC DHA (the mirror image of (3)
sn-2 DHA LPC is not krill oil. It is Stereo Isomer 2 of LPC DHA
Krill oil does not appear in the bar graphs (who knows why)
Dietary DHA present in TAG (for example, fish oil) = DHA in TAG
Dietary DHA present in sn-2 position of PC (for example, krill oil), = sn-2 DHA PC
Note that sn-2 DHA LPC is not the same thing as sn-2 DHA PC
(very similar though it appears)
“we have also compared the absorption and brain uptake of the two positional isomers of LPC-DHA (sn-1 DHA LPC and sn-2 DHA LPC). The results show that the DHA content of most regions of the brain is more than doubled by feeding either sn-1 or sn-2 DHA LPC, but not by feeding free DHA, which however enriched other tissues.”
Ouch - you are right and I'm not!
DeleteAnyway, that makes a little more sense, though I keep wondering why they didn't test krill oil too as it was presented as an alternative in the beginning. It probably still is the best alternative around.
/Ling
Peter, the supplement allithiamine, the only one, also contains calcium and phosphorus as dicalcium phosphate, I do not know why they are added or if they are co factors but I didn't want to add calcium directly as it is excitatory for the brain.What do you think?
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Valentina, some people do report a benefit from Benfotiamine, even though that might look strange, since it does not cross the BBB. Dr Lonsdale says more people respond to Allithianine.
DeleteI am not sure that in those responders there was necessarily any effect on microglia.
I would suggest first going for the cheaper option of Clemastine. If not available locally, it is sold on eBay.
Allithianine is expensive. I think Benfotiamine may be helping for some different reason than microglia.
Peter, I am currently trialing both Clemastine and Ibudilast together. I realize that trailing one thing at a time is generally better but I am honestly quite desperate to gets things moving in my life. The reason I am commenting is because I'm curious as to how long someone might see benefit with Ibudilast. Is it supposed to be more of an immediate effect or an effect you see in the longer term? My original reasoning for trialing Ibudilast was because of its effect on PDE4 and the sensory gating aspect but its myelintion effect is certainly welcomed too. I'm currently on my fourth day for 10mg Ibudialst and have already been on a half tablet of Clemastine for maybe a little over a week FYI.
ReplyDeleteThe sensory gating effect is highly dose dependent, but will be from the first dose.
DeleteIn this trial using the similar drug Roflumilast, the effective dose of 100 μg is five times lower than the clinically approved dose for the treatment of acute exacerbations in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5748397/
To improve myelination, it took Clemastine just two weeks in mice. I expect in humans it will take months not weeks.
So to achieve sensory gating improvement it looks like you need a low dose of PDE4 inhibitor and the effect will be very soon after the pill is metabolized. To improve myelination, as in MS, you likley need a higher dose and months.
Clemastine should calm the microglia relatively quickly but the effect on myelination is likely to take months.
Peter, I started eating grapes a few days ago and Im getting PROFOUND effects.
DeletePeople on longecity and reddit basically say im nuts and thats it all placebo.
Now I got resveratrol (98% pure 200mg pills) on the way and it will arrive between early februari-mid februari.
The effects on my depression is especially remarkable. Now theres a lot of things that resveratrol hit such as ERbeta, SIRT1, etc. One of them though is that resveratrol is a none selective PDE inhibitor (including PDE4). It some similarities with how the CILTEP stack felt (which includes artichoke that is high in luteolin and also inhibits microglia inflammation and is a PDE4i).
Would you say the effect im experiencing is mainly due to PDE4 inhibition? The effect is quite profound btw im SO SO much more outgoing on this.
Aspie1983, grapes contain many things other than resveratrol
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I would just be happy and eat grapes.
If you think it is resveratrol, peel the grapes and just eat the skins for a day or two and see if you feel the same benefit.
Yeah I know, Im well aware of that.
DeleteIve tried Grape seed extract, grape seed extract OPC, pycnogenol. Nothing of all of them came close... to the simple effect of grapes? One thing pycnogenol did do very good is drop my pre-hypertension stage bloodpressure.
My stools have dramatically altered too, biogaia did make my stools less hard, but never changed color, they always stayed very dark/close to black. Now with the grapes my stool is semi soft, light brown and medium. Last time ive seen it like that must have been over 15years ago.
I will find out if its due resveratrol content (when my order arrives) or that its due to unique natural combination of resveratrol + the rest of the stuff in grapes.
One thing I seem to get though is waves of nausea about twice per day for 10-30mins at a time, usually just before or after Ive eaten, this apparently is a side effect of resveratrol after looking it up.
As I said before resveratrol upregulates 5ht3a in the body, together with it being a PDE4-i. Both these functions are associated with nausea as a side effect.
Aspie, as you are interested in resveratrol and I remember you mentioning worries for future colorectal cancer at some point, this quote is for you:
Delete“pterostilbene had much stronger effects in increasing the levels of cleaved caspase-3 and PARP, especially cleaved PARP, than did resveratrol”
Inhibitory effects of resveratrol and pterostilbene on human colon cancer cells: a side by side comparison
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3201709/
/Ling
Hi Ling,
DeleteYep im aware of the fact that both can have benefit for that, thank you.
Was it you that give your kid resveratrol aswell? I remember someone else on here uses it for his/her kid and says it helps.
Peter, I found a Roflumilast source that I believe would be possible to acquire. One of the issues is that I am not sure if I would be able to accurately dose it. I would prefer not to directly mention the website just because I don't believe it would benefit us if they saw this post but if you were to type "buy Roflumilast" into Google you definitely wouldn't have a very hard time finding it. The website has a "Preparing Stock Solutions" section under Roflumulast's description and I'm uncertain if I am correct about something in it. I think it basically says that if you were to have 5mg of Roflumilast and put it in an 124.01 mL container you would have an exact 100 mcg dose at 0.1 mL . I found a good medical 125 mL container on Amazon so if what I am thinking is correct I could achieve the 100 mcg dose very closely. I also have a syringe that can go to 0.1 mL. Am I right or wrong about this or if I'm wrong would you know of any other way I could achieve the 100 mcg dose using that website? I think there is a good chance that impaired sensory gating is responsible for a good bit of my Asperger's. I remember in one of your posts you mentioned that basically too many inputs being processed rather than one input being overprocessed would be possible and I strongly believe that this is the case for me. I've never really found something like the ticking of a clock annoying but I do dislike abrasive chalk board sounds but that's not too uncommon for most people anyways. I also find that vaping nicotine makes me feels calmer and almost less anxious for a very small moment. Cognitively I function very poorly under stress which makes me think that it could be related to HCN channels. I never really struggled with ASD symptoms until I transferred to middle school which I feel caused be to regress a bit into the Asperger's range. I've never been able to read facial expressions and such though so I suppose I've always been ASD. Funny enough I have a cousin on my mom's side that had a long depressive period that seemingly regressed in some ways in behavior when previously I never noticed such things. For example she went to a job interview wearing pajamas and didn't see any problem in doing that. Things like that. This regressive like outcome reminds of what happens in people becoming Schizophrenic under loads of stress which is why I mention it given that sensory gating affects both disorders of course.
DeleteStress is very interesting, extreme stress does indeed trigger major regression in some people with autism. My son being a good example, but I also know of others.
DeleteOur Aspie reader in the Netherlands is going to ask his psychiatrist for a trial of Roflumilast. Given that the existing drug Daxas contains 500mcg of Roflumilast, I expect the doctor will prescribe Daxas and then he will divide the pill into fifths, either by eye or weighing using micro scales.
I think people wanting to trial Roflumilast should ask their doctor for Daxas.
Ling, something thats very interesting is that the effect of resveratrol only 'kicks in' after 3hours, its like that now EVERY DAY.
ReplyDeleteI digged through multiple studies and it showed that resveratrol its METABOLITES actually have peak plasma levels then and not free resveratrol:
Bioavailability and safety study of resveratrol 500 mg tablets in healthy male and female volunteers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4726856/
free resveratrol T(max) 1.339 hours
sulphated resveratrol T(max) 2.783 hours
glucuronated resveratrol T(max) 3.050 hours
Thats the main thing thats interesting, sulphated resveratrol is actually an ANTI-estrogen btw.
I know that resveratrol apparently also gets a minor 2nd peak through the liver after a few hours, but that doesnt explain why I wouldnt get the extremely noticeable effects around ~1hours after intake (which is when res. peaks).
Estrogen signaling in the brain has been brought up before in a few posts on this blog, so I am posting this new research which is very interesting with respect to that topic and autism as well even though the researchers were not investigating autism per se:
ReplyDeletePress Release:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190225075610.htm
Paper:
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/early/2019/02/06/JNEUROSCI.1970-18.2019
One particular paragraph in the press release made me think of some of the challenges with my oldest son (low-functioning autism):
"Brann and his colleagues found that mice whose neurons don't make estrogen have impaired spatial reference memory -- like a baseball player not knowing where home plate is and what it means to get there -- as well as recognition memory and contextual fear memory -- so they have trouble remembering what's hazardous -- they report in the Journal of Neuroscience."
In particular, my son has phobias of some animals (dogs in particular), but is not afraid of bees, moving cars, or drinking muddy water which of course involves context in understanding that those things can seriously injure or even kill him. Humans are innately afraid of snakes, but not of bees. Humans are generally afraid of bees because your parents tell you to be afraid of them because getting stung by many of them at once can put you in a lot of pain or even risk of death, especially if there you have an allergy to them.
Now in males, estrogen is created from testosterone via aromatase, but DHT is an aromatase inhibitor. If you lower DHT, estrogen levels rise (one reason why anabolic steroid abstinence can cause gynomastication in steroid abusers if the inevitable rise in estrogen is not pharmacologically blocked via an aromatase inhibitor).
Now, according to this research simply raising estrogen levels in the peripheral blood supply won't do anything to normalize memory in those with compromised estrogen signalling as the estrogen produced in the brain is separate from what is produced in other organs, but it does give greater credence to some of the potential interventions Peter referenced earlier regarding estrogen signaling a few months back if my own estrogen challenged memory serves me correctly.
Tyler, it is interesting.
DeleteIt is a pity that when a perfect potential treatment, DHED, has already been developed, it is not commercialized.
It really does look like what is needed is DHED, which delivers Estradiol only to the brain.
https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/2018/02/dhed-delivering-estradiol-only-to-brain.html
Interestingly, estradiol plays a key role in regulating blood brain barrier permeability. Reducing estradiol increases permeability of the BBB.
For other readers, steroid hormones like Estradiol do cross the blood brain barrier
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/109433
This is after all why changes in these hormones affect behaviour and indeed the timing of seizures in some people with epilepsy.
Hormones are flowing both ways across the BBB and it is a complex subject. I do think that DHED would be effective in some neurological disorders.
The problem with raising estrogen/estradiol in your blood is that it will have numerous effects, so it is not the ideal way of raising estrogen/estradiol in the brain.
Perhaps the disturbed cytokines in the brain of people with autism reduces the level of Estradiol synthesis in the brain, as touched upon in your paper. That might mean an effective anti-inflammatory therapy that modifies cytokine levels, might raise Estradiol levels as an unintended side effect. Cytokines are signalling molecules as well as mediators of inflammation.
Peter, thanks for this very interesting blog entry. I’m reading it being still somewhat shocked by your previous post and Dr Siegel suggesting Lovaas’ famous study was flawed. Who knows if we were here solving things on our own now if it was not regarded the base for the autism research for many years.
Anyway it seems like I need to plan some new trials after this post.
Also there is another study which may be relevant:
“Of 1040 compounds tested, 123 reduced TNF-α levels of LPS-activated microglia by over 50%. However, most of these were cytotoxic to microglia at the concentration tested while 54 were assessed to be non-toxic. Of the latter, spironolactone was selected for further analyses.”
"In multiplex assays, spironolactone reduced several molecules in activated microglia. Finally, during the screening, we identified 9 compounds that elevated further the TNF-α levels in LPS-activated microglia."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24047520
I think it has been discussed in your blog, but I still can’t get the full text. If anyone can access it and share it would be great.
Valentina and Peter, I used various forms of thiamine targeting speech disfluency, including TTFD from Japan. Paradoxically it was only benfotiamine which had significant effect, however resulting in irritability/hyperactivity with long term use. 150 mg triggered insomnia in my son and me.
Incidentally I was searching for Nemechek protocol “efficacy”. Do you know any data, which can give at least some orientation, including anecdotal? I recall you both tried inulin, can you share your final opinion on that?
Agnieszka, I did try inulin - it had no effect and neither did sodium butyrate. Years ago fish oil also had no effect.
DeleteI think it will depend on your diet and your symptoms. I think if you eat no fruit and vegetables, eat a high fat junk food diet and have ADHD, you have a good chance of improvement following Nemechek's ideas. The important thing is that it is not expensive and is healthy.
In some people all that inulin might cause unhelpful bacteria to grow.
His use of vagal nerve stimulation (VNS) is I think more likely to be helpful than inulin/omega3 in those with severe autism and a good diet, but with some auto-immune conditions.
He has some good ideas, but it appears he thinks everyone will be a responder, which also tells you something.
Read the reviews
https://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Patrick_Nemechek.html
Hi Agnieszka, regarding inulin, it was the worst intervention I tried, what they call "awakening" for me was marked regression.It took weeks to get him back to baseline. I think that as says Peter,the problem is that dr N thinks inulin is for all and I don't think so. For me, the responders or the ones that don't note any difference, really do not have SIBO. Thanks for your input about benfotiamine, I had decided not to try it. I really want to know more about spironolactone,Peter, do you have any information?
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Valentina, Spironolactone has been covered in this blog for two different reasons. It is a potassium sparing diuretic, meaning it increases potassium in your blood, so it goes well with bumetanide. It also has an effect on hormones shifting the balance from testosterone towards estrogen/estradiol, which may be beneficial for some people with autism (ERbeta, RORalpha, low brain estradiol etc).
DeleteAgnieszka,
DeleteNemechek is carrying out gratis research of his protokol. He has even forbittened other supplements, as they would interfere with it (?)
My daughter (14y) is great responder on inulin and Rifaximin
Fast effect on awareness is pretty fascinating - it appeared after one week on inulin.
She has been 6 months on inulin, and after that on Rifaximin - with the same effect (round of Rifaximin (10 days, 2x600mg) is repeated every 3-5 months)
She stopped complaining that her belly hurts from the very beginning; interested in conversation from another room. Seborrheic dermatitis disappeared on the third day on Rifaximin.
Fatigue, constipation, acnes - all has gone.
The bad things are increas of stimming, fears, angry outbursts and general disobedience;
Some friends of mine had very bad experience (like Valentina) - tantrums, aggression, fears, but my daughter is in general much happier and healthier.
Thank you all. Maja I am glad to hear your daughter benefits so much from inulin and Rifaximin. They are indeed safe interventions, although it seems you may risk temproary worsening as well.
DeleteI would be happy to read about Dr Nemechek's research. Hopefully he does not "deselect" non-responders (as Lovaas did) or Trump voters as mentioned in the reviews linked by Peter.
Valentina, I didn't mean thiamine/benfotiamine is not worth a trial. In fact few things had such an immediate impact on speech fluency as benfotiamine in my son. Perhaps it's the matter of the dosing.
Agnieszka, there are no research studies on Dr Nemechek method and there won't due to the accessibility of inulin and the oils. I will try with a low dose of benfotiamine.
DeleteValentina
With "gratis research" I meant - sharing his ideas via internet. You will find reports and questions of parents on his blog. Parents are truing to be nice, so the credibility of their statements is questionable. Thank you, Agnieszka.
DeleteThe grape effect is still working (500gram every morning). It is profound and the social effect always kicks in 3hours after intake. I can literally put a stopwatch n it will happen, its crazy.
ReplyDeleteI cant wait till resveratrol arrives at my home, this beats memantine for me. It also gives me focus and no worries! unlike gaba like drugs which just the hell out of me, this is only anxiolytic and not sedative. Im really curious if resveratrol is just a magical combination of PDE4i, SIRT1 activation, estrogen manipulation, autophagy activation (and thus synaptic pruning?), mTOR inhibition or that its just down to one of the effects.
Whats striking though, despite me normally never being nauseated the grapes do have this effect on me around 1hour after taking them. Hell I even made a post before about the first ever memantine pill I took that made me nauseated and brought so much joy back in my life.
Wonder if its partially due to 5ht3a upregulation that resveratrol can do. Now I know the following is somewhat unrelated but interesting never the less:
Successful treatment with risperidone increases 5‐HT 3A receptor gene expression in patients with paranoid schizophrenia – data from a prospective study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607560/
"There was no difference in 5‐HT3A receptor mRNA level between paranoid schizophrenia patients and healthy controls at baseline (p = .24). Among 47 patients who completed 8‐week naturalistic follow‐up, 37 were responders to risperidone treatment. 5‐HT3A receptor mRNA level of paranoid schizophrenia patients did not change in overall patients after 8‐week treatment with risperidone (p = .29). However, 5‐HT3A receptor mRNA level in responders increased significantly (p = .04), but not in nonresponders (p = .81)."
So rispiderdal was only effective in those whose 5ht3a expression upregulated!
Also resveratrol is a calcium channel POTENTIATOR, unlike nearly every other autism drug which is an inhibitor of calcium signalling. Also its anti-cancer effects seem to stem from the calcium signalling, from what Ive read it literally bombs cancer cells with calcium forcing them to commit suicide.
Thanks for sharing such an informative post.
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ReplyDeleteHi Peter
LPC DHA EPA is being commercialized.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24410954/
ReplyDeleteI am not sure if this study was solid. It said EPA supplement did increase CSF EPA concentration.
WHAT DRUGS DO YOU THINK WILL HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE SYNAP CUTTING PROCEDURE?
ReplyDeletePETER, ITS MAYBE BAD NEW ABOUT CLEMASTINE. WHAT YOU THINK?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2022.841548/full
Yes, I saw this.
DeleteIt is very common to get contradictory results from the research.