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Monday, 3 August 2020

Why is the evidence for Early Intensive Behavioral Intervention for Autism so weak?



One to one autism therapy is pricey – is it worth it?


Only a handful of countries widely apply behavioral interventions to treat toddlers diagnosed with autism.  Behavioral interventions include Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA), Verbal Behavior (VB), Pivotal Response Treatment (PRT) and the Denver model.

Even after several decades, the published evidence that these interventions actually work is quite weak.  This explains why most countries do not readily provide public funds for ABA.

In the US, efforts are being made to diagnose autism at younger and younger ages, because the child can then benefit from these “proven” interventions, that other countries do not believe work.  Who is right?  

You can read Manuel Casanova’s perspective at the end of this post.  He is not such a fan of expensive US developed therapies and concludes:-
"spending time with your children and group socialization, in my experience, have provided the most favorable outcomes"


Does ABA work?  If so, why can’t you prove it?

From my personal experience, behavioral intervention was very beneficial as a teaching method, but it does not make autism go away.

In today’s study the aim was to determine if behavioral intervention is cost effective.  The conclusion based on all the studies considered is that there is no conclusive evidence that behavioral intervention is cost effective.  So logically the countries that do not widely fund it, like the UK, can be reassured that they are on the “right side” of the argument.

My view is that is that autism is so heterogeneous you can prove almost nothing, with any degree of certainly.  It is always going to be a case of ifs, buts and maybes.  This also very much applies to clinical trials of drugs to treat autism.

Why did ABA ever catch on in the first place?  People want hope and the more expensive something is, the more people want it.  Forty hours a week of ABA is very expensive and nice to have, if someone else is paying.  

We saw in an earlier post that Lovaas (the founding father of ABA) later admitted to selectively retiring non-responders from his clinical trials, to improve the apparent success of his methods.  This pretty much means you have to ignore all his data and his papers should be retracted. 

Many parents want curative treatments for autism.

Lovaas claimed that ABA is curative and that the treated kids end up like typical kids.  Sadly, this is an exaggeration.

Is two years of ABA cost effective for severe autism?  I guess it depends whose money is paying for it.  Is two years of ABA going to be life changing for a person with severe autism?  Unfortunately, even after 20 years of ABA, that person will likely still have severe autism, if you have not treated their underlying biological problems.

Some parents rave about ABA and make comments like “after two years of ABA my son now makes eye contact”.  Great, but would you pay $120,000 of your own money for that?  I think not.  Should your local government regard that as money well spent?  I think they should be more demanding; the results of just $1,000 spent on the right personalized medicine will be much more impressive.

Today most people currently being diagnosed with autism have mild cases.  If they can talk and do not have intellectual disability (ID) / mental retardation (MR), they will likely see little benefit from 40 hours a week of discrete trial training.  It would be a huge waste of money and probably just annoy the child.  

Many children with mild autism need a different kind of therapy, they need to learn social and emotional skills they may not naturally possess - how to make friends, how to avoid making enemies and so how not to get bullied at school.  This will only be effective started very young, before being a victim becomes a badge of honour.



Autism is a lifelong condition that affects how people understand the world and interact with others. Early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions are an approach designed to help young (preschool) autistic children. This approach is often delivered on a one-to-one basis, for 20–50 hours per week, over a period of several years.
This project obtained and analysed the original data from studies of early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions, to determine whether or not these interventions are beneficial. It also investigated whether or not the interventions represent good value for money.
The results suggest that early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions may improve children’s intelligence, communication, social and life skills more than standard approaches. However, some results could be inaccurate or incorrect, and there was no evidence about other important outcomes, such as the severity of autism and where children went to school. Most studies lasted for around 2 years, which means that it is not known if early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions have meaningful long-term benefits.
It was not possible to fully assess whether or not these interventions provided value for money, as the benefits of early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions were unclear, although the available evidence suggested that they did not. Early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions may, however, provide value for money if their effects were to last into adulthood, or if receiving early intensive applied behaviour analysis had a large impact on the type of school children attended.
Future studies of early interventions may be helpful, but should consider looking at which components of early applied behaviour analysis-based interventions are the most important, rather than at whether or not they work better than other interventions. Future studies should also follow best current research practice and evaluate outcomes that matter to autistic people and their families. 

Economic evaluation

Using National Institute for Health and Care Excellence decision rules to benchmark the results of the cost-effectiveness analysis and adopting a £30,000 (USD 40,000) per quality-adjusted life-year threshold, these results indicate that early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions would need to generate either further benefits or cost savings to be considered cost-effective.

Implications for service provision

Although individual participant data meta-analyses have shown small to moderate improvements in child cognitive ability and adaptive behaviour for early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions relative to treatment as usual or eclectic approaches, all of the identified studies were at risk of bias, limiting the strength of conclusions that can be drawn from these results. Furthermore, results from individual studies varied considerably, with some showing no relative benefit of early intensive applied behaviour analysis-based interventions. 


Conclusion

For cases of severe autism, if you can afford intensive (and expensive) 1:1 intervention of any credible kind (Floortime, ABA, Denver etc - whatever works best in your case) it makes sense to use it.  It should improve skill acquisition and will make the parents feel better.

None of these interventions are curative, the child will still have autism.  When you no longer pay for the 1:1 intervention, the effects most definitely will start to fade away.  Don’t mortgage your house to pay for ABA.

Nothing stops you making your own 1:1 intervention program using family, friends and volunteers.  This does not cost much and is sustainable over many years; it is likely to be much for effective that 2 years of "professional" therapy.

I do find it odd that in the US there is free early intervention for toddlers and then provision just stops, as if it suddenly is no longer needed.

If you use ABA to teach a child to tie shoe laces, he/she will retain the skill as long as you keep buying shoes with laces.  If you do not practice/apply the skill for 6 months, do not be surprised if it has to be re-taught.

Our final ABA consultant was very experienced, she worked for 10+ years in the US before moving home to Athens, Greece.  She told me that in her experience all children with autism benefit from ABA, but the level of progress they make varies widely.  If a child does not respond to ABA, it very likely is not being done correctly.  ABA should be seen as fun, not like a punishment. If your child hates ABA sessions, they have no chance of working.

I come back to my earlier recommended strategy. Find your most effective novel medical treatment, which will inevitably be a polytherapy and combine this with a method of learning that works best for your particular child.

Then just keep going and let time do its work.





In countries like the UK, with free health and education provision, the government does not generally pay for early intervention because their medical advisors do believe it to be cost effective, which really means they think it does not work and so do not want to pay for it.  The cynic might just say they do not want to fund it. 

The idea was supposed to be that by investing upfront in ABA during the early years, you save money later on, by having a more functional child and then adult who requires less expensive provision.  Unfortunately, there is absolutely no proof this is true.  

If you go from early intervention, to an ABA special school and then ABA college, things clearly did not work out.

In the US early intervention is assumed to be very effective and the current idea is that doctors should hurry to diagnose autism before 24 months so as to get into the intervention program as soon as possible.  Where is the evidence to support the US view?  Are US outcomes any better?

We saw in recent research from UC Davis that looked at outcomes over time in autism that the best outcomes are not associated with any particular therapy.  The best outcomes happen because of the biological characteristics of that child, rather than any amount of behavioral intervention.

I expected the UC Davis study to show a relative benefit for those who received ABA therapy, but it did not.  We do have to take note.  I am actually pro-ABA and have spent a vast amount of money on this kind of therapy and 1:1 instruction.   

Ignoring treating the biological dysfunctions in autism while spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on 1:1 therapy and special education does not make a lot of sense.

Here is a relevant excerpt from a recent post by the neurologist, autism researcher and autism Grandfather, Manuel Casanova, from his Cortical Chauvinism blog: -



Despite marked differences in geography, non-Westernized countries see autism as a social responsibility rather than a medical condition.  These countries offer a collectivist perspective that downplays individuality and prioritizes maintaining relationships within a given group of people.  In this regard, I have often marveled as to how vastly different countries, like Colombia and the more desolate regions of Eastern Russia (Siberia), share similar perspectives regarding autism. Indeed, due to a lack of resources, interventions in these countries are usually parent-mediated and heavily influenced by cultural norms.  Lack of personnel trained in behavioral analysis has been supplanted by art and music instruction.  Classes are provided in group settings where outperforming other members is not seen as conductive to the overall benefit of the group. Members are encouraged to adopt the norms of the group while teachers emphasize cooperation and nurturing. Students arrive early to school to participate in team building exercises.

I have often marveled at the achievements of troupes of autistic children performing autochthonous musicals and their accompanying choreography.  Adopting the norms of the group have served them far better than any Westernized behavioral intervention.  Participants in these groups seem genuinely happy; in part, given the sense of achievement at contributing to a piece of artistic expression.  In addition, the structured activities in such groups offer norms that minimize uncertainty.  Participants feel a sense of security in a group that fast becomes their extended family.

Autism is a medical condition but, without a cause that we can target, treatment options have remained symptomatic.  This is one of the reasons for looking at other countries and learning what has worked for them.  Indeed,  I believe that we can gain from adopting the cultural perspective of other countries to benefit our own children. Whether it is an improvisation on an autism chair, electroacupuncture, or using a zen bowl, spending time with your children and group socialization, in my experience, have provided the most favorable outcomes.

Manuel is one of a very small group of thoughtful researcher-clinicians, who have been working in the field of autism for decades, like Dr Kelley from Johns Hopkins and that psychologist Dr Siegel who wrote the Politics of Autism and revealed how Lovaas really did his "research". 

Manuel's researcher son-in-law is interested in precision medicine and drug re-purposing, I guess driven by his own young son's rare genetic "autism", NGLY1 deficiency. This very severe condition leads to the body not being able to breakdown and remove damaged and misfolded proteins.  You would think that reducing Endoplasmic Reticulum (ER) stress, that produces misfolded proteins, might be useful. This was covered here, along with a long list of possible therapeutics:-




Some readers are following the details of the Covid-19 situation.


The Indian Experiment rather than the Swedish Experiment

A recent study suggests that more than half of the 6 million slum dwellers in Mumbai have had Covid-19; another 6 million do not live in slums. Government research showed that in the capital Delhi 23% have Covid-19 antibodies.

Mumbai slums have an extremely high population density, extreme poverty and so not much social distancing. So they show what Covid-19 does with no serious intervention, better than Sweden does.  Mumbai has reported 6,200 deaths in total.

You can extrapolate from the data (57% of slum dwellers and 16% of non slum dwellers with Covid antibodies) for the total 12 million population of Mumbai.  4.4 million had the virus and 0.14% died.  In the worst case scenario, when everyone finally gets infected in the next few years, there would be another 7.4 million with the virus and another 10,800 deaths.  The death/mortality rate for the city would be 0.14%.  (In reality it will probably be less than 0.14%, because some people will not get the virus)

The 0.14% Covid-19 mortality rate compares to the 2.5% mortality rate of the 1918/9 global flu pandemic; worse still that flu pandemic affected fit young people the most, making the demographic impact huge. 

The crude death rate from all causes in the US is around 0.8% each year (just 0.7% in India).  That puts the 0.14% from Covid-19 into some perspective. If Americans are as healthy as Indians and India did not under-report the number of Covid deaths in Mumbai (both are big ifs), you could apply the 0.14% mortality from Covid-19  to 330 million Americans and get 460,000 people. I think the realistic number would be higher, given deaths to date in the US.  

I think the world has been very lucky to have been affected by a pandemic that has such a low mortality rate.  It could easily have been 20 times worse, perhaps next time?  In the Middle Ages, the Black Death killed hundreds of millions of people - a truly apocalyptic pandemic.

There is no certainty that a vaccine is going solve the Covid-19 problem, indeed the UK government is buying 12 different vaccines, in the hope that one is effective.  Vaccines are often least effective in older people, who are main risk group for Covid-19.

If no vaccine turns out to be 90% effective, the Mumbai slum dwellers and the Swedes will have been the smart ones.


Controlled Infection vs Vaccination

If I was a dentist I would be seriously worried about Covid-19. I would favor a small infection today, caught from my party-going offspring, rather than in two year's time catch it while peering into a stranger's mouth during an hour long procedure, and get a huge initial exposure, leading to a more severe infection.  The fact that Mumbai policemen, London bus drivers and of course doctors and nurses without good PPE have had so many fatalities does suggest the amount of virus you are initially exposed to is a critical factor to the outcome.  This would be logical anyway.

I am really glad at least my older son and myself have had Covid-19.  If I was a dentist, I would be hugely relieved. A few months ago we assumed Covid-19 was both highly infectious and often deadly, now we know the reality.  If you are youngish, slim and healthy the risk is very low.  Many in rich societies are old, overweight and in poor health.

I did take my younger son Monty, aged 17 with autism, for a visit to the dentist two months ago and I really felt sorry for her.  She was wearing a mask, but that is no guarantee of her safety.  

    





31 comments:

  1. I guess expectations are key. ABA wont “cure” a severely autistic child but the skills learned can assist to make their lives better.

    Unfortunately, we as parents are fighting a losing information war against anti biological / therapy intervention neurodiversity types preaching identity politics to the media, who are only too happy to treat autism as a difference or gift. They would rather outsource its problems onto parents. leaving severely autistic kids to rot in the corner in silence because no one wants to talk about it.

    It’s a slippery slope from there , so I favour most things counter autism even if flawed, even if it’s just to keep the principal of treating / curing autism alive.

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    1. Ross, treating autism has been possible, based on the science, for several years. Hopefully it will soon become mainstream, rather than a niche activity. There just needs to be one drug approved specifically for improving the core symptoms of autism.

      I don't think we need to be too concerned about the odd people who see autism as a blessing. I bet when they were at high school it did not feel like a blessing.

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  2. Can re-infection occur? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1

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    1. The antibody response does fade, but your immune system does "remember" the infection. So if reinfection did occur it really should be much milder.

      If you could have a mild first infection and then a year later die from a second infection, that would be really sad. I do not see this happening, unless there are other factors involved.

      There are claims of people being infected more than once, but testing is not 100% reliable and someone might never have fully overcome the first infection when they tested positive for the "second" infection.

      There will also always be rare exceptions.

      I think some young healthcare workers who died from Covid-19, might not have done, if their first exposure to the virus had been a mild one at a birthday party, rather than from a busy Covid ward in a hospital.

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  3. Posted this undder the wrong post:

    Peter, maybe the question is what ‘early’ is. In Israel, autism is diagnosed age 6-10 months, and treatment starts at that age - the best way possible: The Mifne center treats children by inviting the family for intensive courses of several weeks wherw they learn principles of Floortime ABA etc and how to implement them. THAT is early. As far as Covid goes, I am terrified to get it, because my child has Pandas. As you have probably read, Covid in itself causes Pandas and other immune/inflammatory issues in the brain. I don’t like that for her. She is starting school in a few weeks and obviously that will be her likely Covid source - and I surely will not be taking school away from her. But I am scared. A quick update therapy wise - we spent a month in Ibiza and like always when exhilirated, she progressed amazingly. We stayed longer than we thought and I had no Propranolol left the last few days. There was no downturn from removing it so I will leave it like that. Naturally, on Ibiza you can buy some. great quality CBD oil and we took the opportunity. It has taken off an edge off her anxiety and made her more patient and calm. We hope that effect continues. We also were not here during the peak of Ambrosia, her biggest allergen, yay to that. I will be pushing for IVIG these days, because the constant Azithro/diflucan is not something I wish for my child.

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    1. tpes, the clever thing would be to start medical intervention at a very early age, long before the brain stops growing. As the researcher Eric Courchesne pointed out, most people with autism get a diagnosis after their brain has reached adult size (about 4 years old); he thinks because of this fact it is "game over". I don't agree.

      IVIG does seem to work very well for some people.

      Hopefully all the kids can go back to school.

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  4. I completely agree on the fact that medical intervention should start as early as possible. That is a long way away for mainstream medicine - more that 10 years possibly, probably when people start an uprising in the streets after autism percentages rise to 10%. We did interventions from age 2, but supplementary and dietary. Proper medical stuff we started age 4. I consider my atec 25 child to be doing quite well, honestly. We struggle with social stuff, attention and anxiety. But our life is more or less normal, nobody is jumping out of windows, wearing diapers or gouging their own eyes out - incidents I know have happened in families I am in touch with. I think intervention before puberty is the key, timewise. But behavioural intervention aged 6-12 months really probably would help more than after 24 months.

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  5. Here in Mexico I found a kindergarten that is part of a government program that supports children with disabilities, and they have 3 psychologists that are supportive with children if they have a meltdown or can't take part of the class, but they don't know anything about ABA or any other therapy for autism, they suggested me to take him to language therapy that the government offers for free once or twice a week, there are special schools that are affordable and government programs, but I think they only partially help, as a parent you have to do a lot more.

    Today I heard about a local doctor that was attending Covid cases and got infected, he went to 5 hospitals and couldn't be attended and died. I live in Monterrey, which is one of the largest cities of Mexico and with 1,300 deaths there are not many beds in hospitals, so that is very bad I think.

    I am very worried about how the vaccine can affect my son, he has never had genetic tests or not even blood tests, I don't know if he has regressive autism or classic autism. I think vaccination will be obligatory.

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    1. Lisa, if you want to use behavioral intervention the book below is a very good training manual. It is used to teach ABA consultants and also by more modern speech therapists. A new copy is not cheap, but there are used versions for sale. With this one book you really have most of what you would need.

      https://www.amazon.com/Behavioral-Intervention-Young-Children-Autism/dp/0890796831#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

      Old fashioned speech therapy does not help kids with autism, because the problem is not that they are unable to speak, they just do not want to speak. More modern speech therapy actually embraces the behavioral approach to try to develop more speech.

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    2. Thank you Peter for the recommendation, I read the reviews and one says that it has a great curriculum guide. I've been searching for a book with exercises that I can easily understand and apply.

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  6. Well, the nature versus nurture debate is very controversial, not just with autism, but with education in general. You also need to segregate autism without intellectual disability from autism with intellectual disability. If you have intellectual disability, you are by definition learning impaired. Which step in the learning process or multiple steps being compromised is going to vary from person to person.

    You may have attention problems which prevent you from focusing on what is presented. My son has a very good memory for things which he cares about, but getting him to focus for an extended period of time on just about anything else has always been tough. Autism intervention programs like ABA are effectively designed to force the attention of the student on what is being learned which may be why it is successful with some people.

    However, the problem may not be attention at all, but rather an inability to conceptually link together everything that is being attended to. If you make a conceptual association between two things, someone with autism might be able to fake success with memorization, but that learning never generalizes outside of the classroom and is therefore not very useful except for the most rudimentary of rote activities. This is a problem that would need to be solved medically via medication or brain augmentation technologies like TMS or even some sort of neural prostheses developed in the future.

    But even if the brain can conceptually link ideas together, it may not be able to store that information properly in long-term memory. This might give the therapist a false sense of progress in their student as the child seems to be making progress along the way, but is really just hopping from lilypad to lilypad if there is no lull in sessions and then the child seems to regress. You may be finding a lot of this with COVID-19 and its interruption of autism interventions.

    But even if the student can retain learning long-term, the student may have a hiccup in recalling their learning later on and sequencing what they have learned into the proper order of events. Again this is something which would most likely need to be solved with the best that pharmacology and neuroscience has to offer, rather than therapy.

    And finally, the student may not have the motor repertoire to express what they have learned so that the therapist may not understand what the student may actually consciously know.

    Determining which steps in the learning process are compromised is what is necessary before even considering any interventions to address those problems. Doing infinite amounts of ABA will do little to no good if any step in the learning process besides attention which can be improved by environment (less distractions, attentive therapist, repetition) happens to be compromised as you might think your child is making amazing progress and then COVID-19 hits and you find your child regressing back to the beginning because they cannot get in-person therapy.

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  7. As to COVID-19 personally, in my children's school district the entire "health expert" apparatus is about as anti-science as you can get, even though you constantly hear the medical authority types, superintendent, and some school board members speaking in jargon about the "data", "health experts", and "epidemiologists". They never cite any actual science in their arguments, rather they use political language to deflect debate from the actual science. You can mention that not a single child has died of COVID-19 in the county and that 80% of deaths or more are in people under age 70 (75% of American teachers are under age 50 and very very few over 70) and those statistics fall on deaf ears. You can mention multiple studies now showing children do not spread SARS-2 efficiently to each other and adults and the vast majority of child infections are mild and spread from adults and they then bring up "long-term complications" from anecdotal reports in the media that could just as easily be described as complications from myriad other common respiratory diseases like influence and the common cold.

    My kids have the first 9 weeks in "online-only" school and really I think this is all just politics and hysteria at this point. People who went crazy about the virus early on will lose face if they admit they were wrong so they are going to drag this out as long as they can until we are all saved by a "vaccine" when everyone already has herd immunity by then.

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    1. The first time I heard of children being affected by the virus was in the News from New York, now that it's getting bad here in Mexico I hear almost everyday of a case or two of children, pregnant women and young people in their mid twenties die because of Covid locally, it is a small percentage but I think it is important. Maybe I'm wrong but I do believe the virus to be affecting healthy people in ways not yet completely understood. Personally I would feel more confident with more accurate testing being done at home and a more reliable treatment rather than with a vaccine. I hope that the immunity for this virus really lasts, being it acquired from illness or from vaccination, I guess in the upcoming months we will see the results. I do wish that reactions to vaccines were more investigated, not everybody reacts the same, and that there was a pre and post treatment to prevent a bad reaction, I received all the obligatory vaccinations at the same time when I was 7 because my family and I moved to the U.S. and I did have a bad reaction after they told us that I wouldn't. I don't know how can they be so sure of something that hasn't been thoroughly studied. The last vaccine my son received was for Influenza, and then he was diagnosed with autism and I decided to wait if he could have studies done to him before receiving any other vaccine, but then Covid started.

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    2. This is the problem with anecdotal COVID-19 reports selectively promoted by the news media, rather than relying on objective statistics and peer-reviewed scrutinizing of those statistics.

      First of all, in many countries the coronavirus tests are very unreliable as they give high false positive rates but not high false negative rates. The gold standard PCR test is very costly and in countries like Mexico they may rely on less accurate tests. Even then PCR tests may give false positives for identifying genes which may be shared by other coronaviruses in the patient as 20% of colds are caused by various coronaviruses.

      I do not know about Mexico, but in the United States, health care providers are incentivized to commit fraud as they get extra reimbursement for positive SARS-2 detection which they can claim as COVID-19 even though the patient may not have any COVID-19 symptoms, such as for screening pregnant mothers who show no symptoms but test positive for SARS-2. COVID-19 is a disease caused by SARS-2 just as AIDS is a disease caused by the HIV virus.

      So if a child dies of something else, even an accident such as drowning, and when admitted to the hospital their blood was drawn and they test positive for SARS-2, many hospitals have been recording their death cause as from COVID-19. This is obviously fraud, but it is very difficult to investigate when nobody is allowed in the hospitals except patients and staff who need to keep their mouth shut if they want to keep their job. The government is being defrauded and so to many people they believe that there is no harm done to anyone if their hospital steals from the government since the attorney general's in most states are loathe to investigate this as it is politically sensitive. On top of that, hospitals and other health care providers can outright lie about the test results with impunity as there is nobody really auditing them at this time and our collected statistics rely heavily on the honor system as I am sure they do in Mexico as well. Are doctors in Mexico financially incentivized to inflate the coronavirus numbers as you have in the United States? Well, it is hard to say. You also have situations where you have a patient be subjected to take an initial fast test that has a high false positive rate which tests positive, and then taking a more accurate PCR test as a followup that tests negative. Well, while the patient may be comforted to know they do not COVID-19, the hospital can just throw away the second test result and collect the 8k.

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    3. In nations which have less corruption and high credibility among its citizens (not the United States or Mexico) such as Sweden, Taiwan, South Korea, or Japan, you see that regardless of their COVID-19 strategy, very few children died and in fact less children died as a percentage of cases than you have with influenza.

      I have also read in United States mainstream media reporting that "Mexico is getting hit hard" by COVID-19 and then when you actually look at the statistics and comorbidities like diabetes among the Mexican population, they are not doing much worse than the United States or other industrialized nations on a per capita basis.

      With what we know about SARS-2 right now and its effects on children, a SARS-2 infection is likely more safe to children than any first generation vaccine that comes out as the vaccine process is being rushed and it usually takes about a decade to come up with a reliable and safe vaccine that has all the harmful side effects accounted for. With the speed many vaccines are being rushed and the novel methods involved with some of them, there is a big risk for public health disaster from the vaccines themselves if they are rushed to fast, and especially to children who have almost zero risk to SARS-2 if you follow the science and statistics rather than the anecdotal reports and hyperbole by the media.

      If a gun was pointed to my head, I would gladly infect my own children with SARS-2 before giving my children any of these vaccines which have yet to be tested over a sufficient period of time to ensure their safety long-term. Of course, I would prefer they not get infected in the first place just as I would prefer they not get the flu or a cold or any other disease, but cancelling school because of a perceived risk of infection to children is completely irrational when compared to other public health threats to children that are far more dangerous. When H1N1 was around, far more children died from swine flu around the world than from coronavirus and schools were never shut down for swine flu here in the United States.

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    4. I've heard many things, many people saying that doctors are killing patients, others that they were offered a good amount of money to say that a family member died of Covid and so on. Trump said months ago that it was horrible here but no it wasn't, at least not at that time. It is scary how easily the majority of the people can be manipulated by social media and tv, now that we have many problems the attention of the people has been shifted to a metal silhouette of the Virgin. I try to remain neutral and skeptical an only see local reports not National News.

      I guess that what makes Covid different is that it's highly contagious, and here hospital capacity is easily overwhelmed, I've seen the people outside the hospital. So though it's hard, it's been the best available option to remain isolated.

      Yesterday a friend of a cousin, a girl with leukemia and Covid died, and her parents have a good economic position, so she received the best attention. I try to be better informed about what the virus does to the body and medical treatments, at least it's more reliable information than the News, though I still don't know much how vaccines affect a child and how can it be prevented.

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    5. Here is a recent example of the abuse of COVID statistics here in the states:

      https://www.wtoc.com/2020/08/06/year-old-chatham-county-boy-dies-covid-according-dph/

      The mainstream media only mentions a 7 year old boy dying of COVID because he tested positive for SARS-2 using the rapid test which gives a high number of false positives and the one taken likely is a serology test which tests for antibodies and not the virus. The Ohio governor took a rapid test recently which tested positive for antibodies and it was reported he had COVID in the media. He then took a PCR test which is more accurate bit more expensive and costly and it came back negative so go figure.

      Also, the number of COVID symptoms have now been expanded to include just about everything you can die of, short of a lightning strike and attributing the seizure being caused by COVID post-mortem is highly irresponsible when there were no other corroborating symptoms.

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    6. What happened here is that the north states of Mexico which are the more industrialized are against the government response to Covid, and the governors decided that they would make their own rules, and that they would reopen businesses. In part it was because the government was as you said inflating statistics, that is why I only listen to local reports. I thought that it would be worse than it has been, there are many people that have to work that are on the streets and people that don't believe Covid exists. Still hospital capacity is a big disadvantage. I don't understand who could benefit from inflated statistics, at least from Mexico.

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    7. Even though the border with Mexico is supposed to be shut to immigration at the moment, plenty of people have made their way up north to American hospitals for COVID treatment and it has been blamed for the "second wave" in Texas (a similar claim has been made among illegally immigrating Brazilians and Florida). There is good evidence to support that theory. Now do I think SARS-2 positive Mexicans are going to kill more Americans indirectly via exposure in Texas? Nope not at all. In fact, it will likely save more people as herd immunity will be reached faster and may end up saving more lives in the long-run.

      On another note, one weird thing about COVID-19 is that it has turned the United States into a country that is pretending it lives on its own planet and that the rest of the nations of the world are their own planets. The preponderance of evidence squarely puts 200% of the blame on China and here in America even the right-wing media are focusing more and more on blaming Democrats (left-wing) for the virus than China, while Democrats give 1000% blame to Donald Trump for COVID-19 (likely mostly due to them being very misinformed because of their media choices). There is some culpability that may be shared between USA scientists and those in Wuhan but that is just speculation at this point. What is undeniable is that China covered up the outbreak and deliberately sent international travelers from Wuhan to the rest of the world while it was silently restricting travel to other Chinese cities and buying up all the PPE in the world as the WHO (China's mouthpiece) told everyone on earth that the virus as not transmissable from person to person.

      It will be interesting if China gets away with this as the entire world seems to be segregated from each other not just physically, but via shared international media as well. There have been some absolutely insane things going on in Mexico lately with the drug cartels and I doubt many Americans understand the scale of the problem as their only real understanding is the occasional Hollywood movie which often glorifies drug violence.

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  8. Hello Peter, my ASD girl just turned 6. We started ABA at 3 years, when she was learning to label, request, imitate very fast. It made us really see what ABA could do. But alas after 9 months, PANS happened. And it keeps happening every now and then. She lost her speech especially labelling skills. Till now we are in the same status quo. Even with many USA based MAPS doctors, we couldn't figure out what blew off in the flares and how we could make it come back. Not as clinical advise, but with your vast experience in autism treatment, what would you think when you hear such a case?

    We want to try Bumetanide desperately, but we are from Mumbai, India and India doesn't manufacture Bumetanide or azosemide. Too bad. Did you mention any other loop diuretic could help autism?

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    1. Amartya, there seems to be a category of autism where the child starts out as a star responder to ABA and then a second event occurs which completely changes the trajectory. I called it "double tap" autism. The first tap probably happened before birth and is what lead to the initial autism diagnosis. The second tap often seems to be auto-immune.

      In your case you need to resolve the cause of the second tap, or regression, if you prefer. It may very well be a version of PANS, when the immune system starts mistakenly attacking specific types of receptors. Depending on which receptors are affected, you see different symptoms (cognitive loss, tics, even hallucinations).

      Treatment is as for autoimmune encephalitis, so it is IVIG, plasmapheresis, and steroids. The only affordable one for many people is to carefully use steroids (e.g. Prednisone or Dexamethasone).

      PANS often does come back as a "flare-up", which you need to quickly notice and treat, for example with 5 days of a steroid.

      Bumetanide may well help treat the "first tap", but if you cannot resolve the PANS problem, it may well show no effect. Inflammation, which will be caused by the PANS flare up, will raise the level of chloride inside cells and will wipe out the benefit that can come from Bumetanide. You have to keep sources of inflammation under control. It looks like only Bumetanide and Azosemide are the only drugs that have the desired effect on NKCC1/KCC2. In some countries, like Brazil, Bumetanide is not sold in regular pharmacies, but is available special compounding pharmacies found in a University hospital - best to ask.

      You can also have a friend try and get Bumetanide for you in another country, if you have a prescription from your doctor.

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  9. Hope you all had a great summer!
    it looks like at least someone is trying to push forward biomarkers for E/I balance (first-name has been involved in bumetanide trials):

    Measurement of excitation-inhibition ratio in autism spectrum disorder using critical brain dynamics
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280527/

    /Ling

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  10. Hi Peter, This is in the vein of alternative and supplements, (and I'm not sure if this was sent earlier) but was wondering if you had ever looked at bacopa. At one point, I remembered reading that it helped with spatial and broadening interests. Not sure of the mechanism -- or the hype, but was curious if this was ever on your list to examine. Thanks, MH

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    1. MH, I'm a fan of Bacopa. It acts on GABA, serotonin and NMDAr function. Should be good for anyone who is more on the low signal and low inhibition end of the spectrum. Main symptoms it treats is sleep, epilepsy and memory. I know why it fits in my case.

      /Ling

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    2. MH, Bacopa is popular in Indian herbal medicine, which they call "Ayurvedic medicine".

      There was a small trial using Ayurvedic medicine (including the use of Bacopa) to treat autism, which not seen as a success.

      https://medcraveonline.com/IJCAM/an-open-label-pilot-trial-of-abhaya-ghrita-in-autistic-disorder.html

      Nonetheless, Bacopa thas numerous biological effects that might be well beneficial to someone with a brain disorder, particularly people with the early signs of dementia and possibly someone with an autism diagnosis.

      Neuropharmacological Review of the Nootropic Herb Bacopa monnieri
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746283/

      I see no reason why not to try it, but I would not set expectations too high.

      Very likely it will fall in category of Turmeric and Cinnamon, which do have clear health effects, and may have a beneficial effect on autism. They are cheap, safe and do not require a prescription.

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    3. Peter, some time ago by chance I found saffron to be a mood stabilizer, I made saffron bread and about an hour later after eating I felt really great, later I found out about trials with saffron and curcumin on depression and also on it's effects in anxiety and schizophrenia.

      Here are the links:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599112/
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6273654/
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27723543/

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    4. Lisa, I did look into saffron once, but I don't think I wrote a post about it.

      I searched the blog and found a comment I wrote that 30mg of Saffron was more effective than Ritalin in ADHD and had fewer side effects. The key thing is to make sure you have real
      saffron and not fake saffron.

      Saffron is expensive and people actually make fake saffron, that looks just like the real thing. There is advice on internet telling you how to spot fake saffron.

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  11. Anyone's interested in immunocytes? Nah? Too heavy subject?
    I must say this publication stands out among the many I've read. :-D
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305841996_The_Immunocytes

    Quote: "We will name one of our NK lymphocytes. We will call him Paul."

    (This is just one part of a whole series!)

    /Ling

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    1. Thank you Ling, it was easy to read, I learned something new. I've been wanting to ask you, did you try Ponstan in low dose? and how did you realize your daughter had NMDA hypo-function?

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    2. Yes, I've tried Ponstan at different doses, actually am waiting for going 'off' again in a week to see difference. Low dose is tolerable long-term, which higher doses are not. The really low dose is supposed to be combined with other interventions aimed at the NLRP3 inflammasome. The idea is to quench several paths to neuroinflammation. BHB, statins and clemastine are drugs that also act on this inflammasome and are complementary. Maybe allopurinol too. Curcumin, resveratrol and fewerfew are supplement alternatives, but probably less potent. Check old posts, there is a lot written about it here on Peter's blog and in comments.

      My daughter got a genetic diagnosis some time ago, which you can find in my earlier posts. Since it is very rare I'm not writing it out much anymore as I'd like to stay anonymous. But all research points to an 'hyposignaling' condition in glutamatergic neurons, and NMDA genes are downstreams of my child's mutated gene. It is also heavily involved with language genes, leaving my kid totally non-verbal.

      /Ling

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    3. Thank you for your reply Ling.

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