Today’s post is about an issue that seems to cause a problem in some countries far more than others. While some people with mild autism (Asperger’s) may feel anxiety when dealing with the police, the big problem occurs when the police are called in to restrain someone with severe autism and particularly someone who is also non-verbal with MR/ID. Most people with untreated severe autism actually have MR/ID, even if it was never diagnosed.
It would
never occur to me to call the police to restrain my own son, but in North America
this is a regular occurrence. It sometimes
does not end well, often it was the parents who called the police, when it is
not the parents it is likely to be the school. The research shows that most
often the police in the US do successfully resolve the incident.
I did ask my
son’s assistant what she knows about the police dealing with aggressive
autistic people. She knows lots of people with autism and parents. She
initially did not understand my question, because where we live nobody would
think to call the police to deal with their autistic son/daughter. You would
just deal with it yourself, as best as you could.
Even if you did call the police, there is nowhere for them to take an aggressive person with autism.
Schools have
a difficult job dealing with people with autism who exhibit challenging
behaviors. They have a range of options
that do include restraint and indeed seclusion.
Monty, now aged 17 with autism, used to have a male 1:1 assistant for a
couple of years. The assistant was
training to be a speech therapist and also worked at a special school. Because
he was a male in his mid-twenties and athletic, he was the first option when a
child in the school got aggressive and needed restraining. In some schools this
restraint involves several staff and it is not without risks to all involved.
A Dreaded Part Of Teachers' Jobs: Restraining And
Secluding Students
Earlier this year, an NPR investigation
with WAMU and Oregon Public Broadcasting found deep problems in how school
districts report restraint and seclusion. Following that investigation, NPR
reached out to educators about their experiences with these practices.
Disabled children ‘constantly’ physically restrained and left with bruises and trauma, parents say
Small children are sometimes placed in a supposedly safe room and left alone to calm down.
Our son was
always in school with his own 1:1 assistant and never required any intervention
from the school’s staff, even when he had extremely “challenging” behaviors as
an 8 year old. At that time he only went to school in the morning and his
assistant at that time, though female, was very tall, young and sporty and so well able to
take care of physical behaviors, so keeping the peace in the classroom.
Challenging Behaviors as Children get
Bigger
Young
children with autism do have meltdowns for numerous reasons, but these are not
usually difficult to deal with. As
children get bigger and stronger, challenging behaviors can become so severe
that parents struggle to cope.
When Monty
had his 9 months of raging, he was only eight years old; I could easily pick
him up and hold him upside down, which was his “reset button”. At his current
age of 17 years old, I could still do this … but I might drop him if he wriggled.
Hopefully,
parents figure out and treat challenging behaviors in childhood and so are not left
with an aggressive autistic adult to deal with.
It is these adult-sized people with challenging behavior who are at
risk if they encounter the police. Given the difficulty special schools have
dealing with aggressive autistic kids; it is hardly surprising that many police
officers lack the skills to safely restrain an aggressive adult-sized person
with autism. In my opinion an untrained police officer is entirely the wrong
people to be involved.
One piece of
advice I was given shortly after Monty was diagnosed with autism, was from my
doctor mother, “make sure he does not get aggressive, as he gets older”. This is very wise advice, perhaps rather easier said
than done, but was based on her seeing what actually happens to
adults with a psychiatric diagnosis.
Here is a
study from Canada exploring families living with a child with autism and
challenging behaviors.
Home Sweet Home? Families’ Experiences With Aggression in Children With
Autism Spectrum Disorders
Although not inherent to the diagnosis, many individuals with autism spectrum disorders (ASD) display aggressive behavior. This study examined the experiences of families living with individuals with ASD who also demonstrate aggressive behaviors. Using a qualitative approach, semi structured interviews were conducted with parents of nine males with autism and aggression. Eight families’ homes also were observed. Through constant-comparison analysis of interview data, triangulated with home observations, three central processes were identified: deleterious impact on daily routines and well-being of family members, limited supports and services, and financial strain. Emergent themes included isolation, exhaustion, safety concerns, home expenses, respite needs, and limited professional supports and alternative housing. Examination of families’ experiences living with someone with ASD who is aggressive, and the impact of aggression on the supports and services that families receive, constitutes an important step in tailoring resources to best meet families’ needs.
The
families who participated in this study demonstrated great resiliency in the
face of adverse living situations. Many families of individuals with ASD become more optimistic and
accepting of their children’s diagnoses over time, relying less on formal
supports and services. Unfortunately,
this optimism was not expressed by the families who participated in this study
because aggression presented significant and pervasive challenges to their
families, for which adequate knowledge, supports, and services were not
in place. Many of the
families in this study received ASD specific medical, home- and community-based
services in a geographic location known to have a relatively high level of
service for individuals with ASD; however, parents perceived that none of these services
were equipped to deal with aggression
Canada is
one of the better countries when it comes to dealing with severe autism.
In the
United Kingdom, when it comes to autism and the police, it appears that neither
party is satisfied.
Experiences of Autism Spectrum Disorder and Policing in England and Wales: Surveying Police and the Autism Community
An online survey gathered the experiences and
views of 394 police officers (from England and Wales) regarding autism spectrum
disorder (ASD). Just 42 %
of officers were satisfied with how they had worked with individuals with ASD
and reasons for this varied. Although officers acknowledged the need for
adjustments, organisational/time constraints were cited as barriers. Whilst 37 % of officers had received
training on ASD, a need for training tailored to policing roles (e.g.,
frontline officers, detectives) was identified. Police responses are discussed
with respect to the experiences of the ASD community (31 adults with ASD, 49 parents), who were largely
dissatisfied with their experience of the police and echoed the need for
police training on ASD.
I came across a very detailed study from the US, with very many links to other papers, for those interested in this topic. In the US it seems that most parents are satisfied with encounters with the police. Given the bad impression of the American police given by much of the media, this is very noteworthy and encouraging.
Correlates of Police Involvement Among Adolescents and Adults with Autism Spectrum Disorder
This study aimed to describe police
interactions, satisfaction with police engagement, as well as examine
correlates of police involvement among 284 adolescents and adults with autism
spectrum disorder (ASD) followed over a 12- to 18-month period. Approximately
16% of individuals were reported to have some form of police involvement during
the study period. Aggressive
behaviors were the primary concern necessitating police involvement.
Individuals with police involvement were more likely to be older, have a
history of aggression, live outside the family home, and have parents with
higher rates of caregiver strain and financial difficulty at baseline. Most parents reported being
satisfied to very satisfied with their children's police encounters.
Areas for future research are discussed in relation to prevention planning.
Similar to past studies concerning emergency service use among individuals with ASD (e.g., emergency department and psychiatric in-patient services; Kalb et al. 2012; Lunsky et al. 2015; Mandell 2008), aggression was the primary presenting concern resulting in police contact in the current study. A significant proportion of police resources are expended on resolving mental health crises in the community (de Tribolet-Hardy et al. 2015; Short et al. 2014). The appropriateness of such police involvement has been questioned due to the time, cost, and lack of adequate mental health training provided to police (Clifford 2010; Fry et al. 2002). Research concerning more effective solutions to responding to psychiatric crises, such as the use of crisis intervention teams (Franz and Borum 2011; Compton et al. 2008), is promising and should be extended to include individuals with ASD. A history of aggression differentiated individuals who did and who did not interact with police in the observation period. Aggressive behaviors commonly occur in ASD (Kanne and Mazurek 2011; Matson and Rivet 2008; Mazurek et al. 2013), with rates reported to occur in up to 68% of affected individuals at some point in their lives (Lecavalier 2006). These behaviors can result in negative physical, emotional, and financial consequences for family members (Hartley et al. 2012; Hodgetts et al. 2013). Despite a high need and the recognized existence of effective empirically based interventions, there is often a lack of professional knowledge and community-based resources to assist individuals with ASD and their families deal with aggressive behaviors (Hodgetts et al. 2013; White et al. 2012). In the current study, an individual’s history of aggressive behavior, caregiver strain and police contact were associated with each other, further highlighting the need for appropriate community-based family supports. Police contact in the observation period was more likely among older individuals with ASD, those living outside of the family home, and individuals without structured day activities at baseline. Age, family involvement, service use and/or community involvement have similarly been shown to predict involvement with police and the greater criminal justice system among typically developing youth (Greenberg and Lippold 2013; Ryan and Yang 2005; Williams et al. 2007). There is a recognized decline in service availability in the adult service sector for individuals with ASD; a phenomenon referred to as a “service cliff” in past ASD research (Shattuck et al. 2011; Turcotte et al. 2016). Findings from the current study emphasize the importance of developing supports and service models to meet the needs of this population. Autism spectrum disorder symptom severity and ID status were not associated with police contact in this convenience sample. Similarly, Rava et al. (2017) found no association between individuals’ conversation ability and police contact. The diversity of individuals’ presentations emphasizes the broad training police may need to properly understand and interact with all individuals with ASD. To this effect, ASD support and advocacy organizations have initiated various tools to assist individuals with ASD disclose their diagnosis and individualized communication needs to law enforcement officers (e.g., information cards; Debbaudt 2006). The efficacy of these tools from the perspectives of the individual with ASD and law enforcement officials is an area for future research. Most police interactions did not result in criminal charges being brought against the individual with ASD. This replicates Rava et al.’s (2017) increased rate of police contact compared to convictions. In the current study, police contact resulted in a variety of outcomes, including crisis resolution, transportation to the emergency department, and/or physical restraint. Additionally, parents reported that police involvement had a calming effect in nearly half of all incidents and reported, on average, being somewhat satisfied with their children’s interactions with police. This is in contrast with a recent U.K. based study where almost three-quarters of surveyed parents of adults with ASD reported unsatisfactory ratings of their interactions with police officers (Crane et al. 2016). In addition to being from a different jurisdiction, that study included only retrospective reports from caregivers who had police involvement, whereas our study followed a larger group of families forward, some of whom had police involvement in the observation period.
In the study below from Australia, it concludes that more training and awareness is needed by the local police when called in to deal with autistic people being violent at home. Not surprisingly, it is the parents who usually get attacked by the autistic person – so better keep in shape!
Highlights
· Text mining was applied to domestic
violence police records in Australia.
· Domestic violence involving autism
most commonly involves parent-child relationships.
· Autistic domestic violence more
commonly involves intellectual disability.
Background
Recent research and high-profile media cases have suggested
an association between autism spectrum disorder and violent behaviour. Whilst
certain characteristics of autism may make individuals vulnerable to increased
involvement with the police, either as a victim or person of interest, evidence
regarding this is scant. The present study used a population-based dataset to
describe the characteristics of domestic violence events involving autistic and
non-autistic adults.
Methods
Text mining and descriptive statistics were applied to
police-recorded data for 1,601 domestic violence events involving autism and
414,840 events not involving autism in the state of New South Wales, Australia
from January 2005 to December 2016.
Results
The relationship between autistic victims and perpetrators
was predominantly familial or carer whereas events not involving autism were
predominantly involved intimate partners. Abuse types and injuries sustained
were similar for both autistic and non-autistic events. The most common mental conditions present in
autistic perpetrators were developmental conditions and intellectual
disability, whilst non-autistic perpetrators most commonly reported
psychoactive substance use or schizophrenia.
Conclusions
These results highlight the need to further understand the
risk factors for strain and violence in relationships between autistic adults
and their family members or carers, especially for those with comorbid
behavioural developmental conditions. Given the uniqueness of domestic violence involving
autism found in this study and the potentially unique nature of the
circumstances surrounding these events, appropriate police awareness and
training in relation to autism is needed.
Unfortunately, calling for help, whether from the police or a psychiatric hospital can lead to a quick downward spiral of events, from which there may be no return.
In the US there are residential places
at Kennedy Krieger where they try and treat children with extremely challenging
behaviour – good luck to them! The idea
is that after a few weeks the child gets sent home. There are very limited
places and I wonder who pays for them.
Where we live, there still are some residential mental institutions. One boy we know of got very aggressive towards his mother and he was sent to live in such a facility, surrounded by adults with schizophrenia and other conditions. This boy actually likes living there, it is very structured and there are activities, so he is not trying to escape home.
France and Belgium
I did meet a French former classmate of mine a few years ago and she told me all about her nephew with severe autism. Life got so bad with his aggression at home that, as a young boy, he was sent to live in an institution in Belgium.
I always remember this because I thought it extremely odd that a large country like France would send its disabled children across the border to live in little Belgium. I also wondered who paid for this.
The family were in no
rush for the boy to come home and in fact feared the day when he would age out
of the Belgian facility for children.
Across the world mental
hospitals for adults have been shut down and they have not really been
adequately replaced with alternatives. So there may be nowhere to go.
The French sending kids with autism to Belgium has actually been going on for years, as you can read below.
Disabled French Alone – or Sent to
Belgium
For years France has been sending disabled citizens to Belgium. This kind of “forced exile”, denounced by the paper Libération, applies especially to adults. Problems are a bit different for children: certain parents are themselves addressing Belgium because it proposes education methods, especially for autistic children, which still do not exist in France.
In his latest report, the EU Commissioner for Human Rights
reproached the French government for depriving an estimated 20 000 disabled
children of school education.
Conclusion
The research suggests that 2 in 3
people with autism will engage in aggressive behaviors at some point in their
life. These tend to be learned behaviors, meaning once they develop they are
likely to reoccur. Once the "beast within" has been discovered, it is really a case of controlling it, rather than banishing it forever; it is likely both biological and behavioral.
For children with challenging
aggressive behavior, there should be an urgency to resolve the issue as much as possible, otherwise
the future will not be bright. Psychiatric drugs are unlikely to be the answer, they are just a band-aid with troubling side effects.
Calling the police to deal with an aggressive
adult-sized person with autism does seem to be asking for even more trouble. In
the US, it may work well for some people, some of the time, if they happen to
have extremely understanding and well-trained first responders, but I think
their luck will eventually run out.
Without aggressive behavior there
would be no need for institutionalization, in a strict setting.
The medical literature and parent reports are scattered
with many clues and ideas of how to resolve challenging aggressive behavior in
autism; you just have to look and the sooner the better. It may well take time
to find the optimal solution, but the sooner you start looking, the sooner you
will find it. Verapamil is an effective
solution in my case, but yours is very likely to be different. Nobody keeps a comprehensive list to refer
to.
Based on the studies I reviewed, the
police in the US are doing a better job dealing with autism than the police in
some other countries. This is not the impression you get from media reporting,
which makes it seem that the cops will just shoot you, or suffocate you, if you
are autistic and aggressive. So a pat on the back is deserved.
Thank you for this overview. Maybe we do hear a bit too much about cases where someone was hurt by the police in some countries and not enough about cases where the police helped everyone stay safe. For me, the worst stories are about cases of self injury. I know one family where the child will, if unhappy about something (like less screentime) jump out of the second story window of the house which naturally leads to serious injuries (all the windows have safety features but it still happened twice). Another family I talked to, the child gauged out one if his eyes. As a parent, that still hurts more than being hurt yourself.
ReplyDeleteI have started a trial of Malarone for a few days. So far we are seeing very interesting stuff. We discontinued bumetanide and propranolol just to make sure the filtering systems were not to taxed while we look at what Malarone can do. 3 days in, attention is slightly down but not all that much. Even considering removing bumetanide totally, will think about it. The Malarone has yielded some interesting results which are hard to describe in concrete terms. More speech more picking up on what is said around her. I think every parent on this type of journey understands if I say that she is different somehow.
I talked more to the parent who has an amazing experience with Malarone. She showed me very concrete things that happened and I must say that in my 8 years I have only once seen such a complete recovery (online, not in real life, it was mb12). the fact it happened in a few days is even more interesting. She has contacted researchers yet nobody is interested tonwrite up a case report. Ah, the world and its workings.
We will keep up the Malarone for a few more days (we have 6 days of pills) and see what happensz
Tatjana, your antimalarial drug Malarone contains two substances Proguanil and Atovaquone.
DeleteMalarone is known to have anti-cancer properties. Anti-cancer drugs are potential autism drugs, because the affected pathways overlap.
Atovaquone inhibits complex III in mitochondria and this is thought to help kill cancer cells, but is unlikely to help autism. A secondary effect is the inhibition of purine biosynthesis.
Proguanil is known to affect expression of the BCL-2 family of cancer genes. The ratio of two of the expressed proteins BAX/BCL-2 determines whether a cell dies (in cancer, cell death is a good thing). The same BCL-2 family are also considered to be autism genes. Proguanil increases BAX and this might well have been the reason that Malarone had a positive effect in the child with autism you referred to. This child might even have a mutation in one of the genes in the BCL-2 family.
In parasites Proguanil shuts down the folic acid cycle, needed to make DNA, leading to death – this effect on folic acid does not apply to humans.
Oxidative stress by proguanil suppresses breast tumor growth
https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/79/13_Supplement/4795#:~:text=Tumors%20from%20proguanil%20treated%20mice,growth%20of%20breast%20cancer%20cells.
Tumors from proguanil treated mice demonstrated increased apoptosis, which was related to the increased expression of p-H2AX and Bax
Drug formulation studies on regulation of BCL-2 family for treatment of autism
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2164-15-S2-P38#Sec4
In my PolyPill, Atorvastatin increases BAX and reduces BCL-2, which is why it also has an anti-cancer effect.
va multumim ca impartasiti aceste soluti cu noi,va rugam sa ne tineti la curent cu tratramentul Malarone pe care il administrati copilului dumneavoastra,vsa multumim
DeleteThe proposed mechanism behind the Malarone (proposed by laymen wondering what happened with that boy) is that either he had Babesia as a cause for his encephalitis which was diagnosed as autism
ReplyDeleteor that its the atp blocking mechanism such as in Suramin since Malarone does a bit of that as well.
What the dosage for malarone in mg and is this a one off treatment or permanent
Deletei use the dosage proposed for malaria in the leaflet of the medication, for my childs body weight. that way I know the dosage is safe. its really very experimental, but considering the safety of the medication it is also very safe. I have no idea if its a one off or permanent but i dont think it can be permanent, for a long list of reasons.
DeleteHi Peter
ReplyDeleteIn a 2014 post you mentioned the supplement "NeuroProtek" saying you might give it to monty. I couldn’t find any further reference to this so presume it wasn’t that impressive?
https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/search?q=NeuroProtek
The reason i ask, its mentioned in this article by the respected scientific journal Nature, as it seems to have a positive effect in some ASD kids. Just wondering what your thoughts on it was?
https://www.nature.com/articles/tp2015142
Ross, this is Professor Theoharides' supplement that targets mast cells. He is currently trying to raise a 7 figure sum for a large clinical trial.
DeleteIt is not cheap, whereas Verapamil, my therapy for those with autism + allergy/mast cell issues is extremely cheap.
There are many potential drugs targeting mast cells, from ketotifen (cheap) to cromolyn sodium (pricey).
Neuroprotek is a "natural" OTC option.
I think you have to just try these things and find what works best. Cost and availability clearly may also be determining factors.
Hi Ross,
DeleteWe are using NeuroProtect for around a year, but we made a paused for month or two. We saw more awareness and a little cognitive jump. I remember ... he oped the door for a dog, no prompt. He realized the dog standing in front of a door .. means that he wants out. We did saw less gains after time or something else overlap but I am still giving it
Katrin
I feel a little stupid myself, posting for the second time in 4 days of therapy. But there is nondenying that we are seeing tremendous improvement in speech. A bit of a before and after: My daughter started speaking 3.5 years ago. Since then she has developed functional speech. it is clear that beneath it she is talented for languages because she has actively sought to learn everything she can say in her mother tongue, also in english. she was not heavily exposed to it, just liked it on vacation and continued to ask for words. but, she was stuck on functional language. It was obvious that there was a big problem with receptive language. I was despairing because this gap between functional and conversational is not covered in research, and even less is said about the magic of receptive language. There was only the trial with donepezil which I was about to try in 2021. She was showing tendencies towards conversational language but really it was sporadic and not going anywhere.
ReplyDeleteEnter Malarone. the improvement in receptive speech is glaringly obvious. I am not yet (only 4 days) able to quantify the percent but not less than 25% better. Could be even 50-75% improved, now. But I cant yet say. Tendency towards conversational speech steady and unwavering. Sensory problems with sound almost totally gone. Practical examples of improvement: told me 7 different things she did at school and what had at lunch promptly. this would usually be a semisuccessful conversation that took at least 5-10 minutes of me persevering. she replies promptly and funnily- ‘do you want to go to sleep?’ - No! -‘what do you want?’ - (Giggling) Waking up!’.
Sensory sound issues are gone to the extent that we spent half an hour at a soft play center without any problems with sound, no need for noise cancelling earphones, while still hearing me when I talked to her.
She also went down a slide 20 or more times, including several times head first. Usually, scared of slides.
we will see if this continues or if there is some dropoff where we lose gains or improvement plateaus.
whatever the underlying mechanisms, I think this needs to explored by the scientific community.
Very interesting tpes (= Tatjana?),
DeleteI'm very keen to hear the rest of your story once it unfolds.
/Ling
Tatjana, that is great news.
DeleteIt would be a good idea to keep a diary of your observations now and as run out of Malarone and then when you start again.
It would be worthwhile to see if you can use a lower dosage and get the same benefit.
The best way to spread the word, other than via social media, would be to tell your autism doctor in Bari. Then he might try prescribing it to others.
As I have written in this blog previously, many anti-parasite drugs have other properties that make them potential autism drugs, and indeed as anti-cancer drugs.
Ivermectin is a PAK inhibitor, but like Suramin, has side effects.
I thought that Mebendazole and Niclosamide, widely prescribed to treat parasitical worm infections in children are interesting. They are Wnt inhibitors which gives them an anti-cancer effect and via Wnt may be beneficial in some autism. Mebendazole inhibits hedgehog signaling and, via the inhibition of TNIK, it is a Wnt inhibitor. Mebendazole has now become ultra-expensive in the US, but is cheap elsewhere, because of its anti-cancer potential.
Hi Peter please do you know where I can get Mebendazole cheaper and. what dose would a 6 year old weighing 25kg use.
DeleteThanks
Mebendazole is used to treat pin worms. This is a common problem and so Mebendazole is sold OTC, since the drug is very safe. You only need 1-3 days of treatment and so it is priced accordingly.
DeleteMebendazole has known anti-cancer effects. This effect, via inhibiting Wnt, really should help some types of autism. Nobody is actually using Mebendazole yet to treat cancer or autism, because that is the way the world works.
Mebendazole has been shown beneficial in treating "untreatable" types of brain cancer. If I had Glioblastoma (a quickly fatal brain cancer), I would definitely be self-treating myself with Mebendazole.
If you try the Pin Worm dose (look on the pack) and it improves autism, you could consider continuing to use it and then see if the effect is maintained at a lower dose.
In poorer countries Mebendazole is cheaper, but it is sold in small packs. It is sold as a pill and as a syrup.
Hi Tpes
ReplyDeleteIm happy for you that something appears to be having such a big effect, what made you try the anti malaria drug Malarone? I googled it with autism & there was no associated articles.
But you are correct in that there is very little in the way in moving on from functional speech to receptive / conversational. I suppose many therapists would shrug their shoulders and say its part of autism but unless anyone tries new therapies no one will know if this barrier can be broken.
I tried it because I met a mom at online conference Synchrony who had a miracle recovery with her son. I was intrigued because 1. why wouldnt some exotic parasite make my child have autism, its as plausible as anything else, 2. malarone has a bit of the same effect as suramin, 3. it was very risk free and she had amazing results in 48h. I basically did it 70 percent for me and 30 percent for science. i thought what happened with her son deserved a follow up.
ReplyDeletewe also discontinued bumetanide however we have had to do that before already for some medical tests etc and we never had this result quite the opposite actually so thats not whats helping.
Peter, both the diary and the spread idea through Bari were my idea. I have started the diary today. I think we need to get propranolol back however because tics and a bit of general anxiety are elevated. However she also started school again...could be that.
ReplyDeleteI will also, following the advice of the original mother who tried it add azithromycin back in - it might be tht they work even better together. right now her pandas antibiotic is amoxicillin but many pandas parents use amoxi and azithro together so it would not be a first. so first the azithro 3 days and then propranolol. I bought more Malarone, which is honestly not cheap at all. a 3 day supply is 50 eur. so now i can to on for 2’more weeks and let you all know how it goes.
she is now routinely and correcty replying to ‘what are you doing?’.
Tatjana, there is generic Malarone, which is about Eur 1.50 a day. It is used by people going on holiday to countries with malaria, so widely sold. Perhaps tell your doctor about it and ask for an Italian prescription for the generic version.
DeleteYesterday we played connect 4, she ‘won’ as in that I let her win but she was pursuing the goal of the game as well. She played doctor with stethoscope with me, alternating who was the doctor and who the patient. this is both remarkable as gameplay and because its a real stethoscope and she was petrified to put it in her ears before whereas now she goes around the house with it and listens to interesting sounds with it like squeaky toys etc. So sensory a huge improvement like I mentioned before. Today she told me that she didnt know where something was, also a first. In a relaxed moment 2 days ago she finally seemed to get maths but since then I think she developed a ‘no way did I actually solve that mistery of addition, I must be wrong’ insecure stance so we’ll see how that goes. All of this was unimaginable last saturday. The only problem we now have to solve is that all of this is happening at home whereas at school she is behaving horribly.
ReplyDeleteDoes you daughter have any of the side effects? These are normally GI related.
DeleteSince you are probably not killing parasites, you might try lower doses and see if they are equally effective. Then your pills will last longer. The pills can be crushed/split.
Tatjana,cum mai merge cu malarone,am citit un articol in care spune ca malarone merge foarte bine pe antiviral si antiparazitar toxoplasmoza,cred ca este un potential tratament,sper sa fie mai bun ca suramin si permanent,cat timp o sa il administrezi? te intreb pentru ca vreau sa ii administrez su eu lui DENIS copilul meu.....
DeleteShe has a bit of a hard stool. Nothing else to the best of my knowledge. But is there were any serious aches I would know. I am intending to lower the dose to the prophylactic one, which can be used for 2 or 3 months, but in 7 more days. I want to have a longer runtime on the full dose so that I can more reliably see if the lowering of the dose changes things. Its not a side effect in the classical sense but her tics are truly worse.
ReplyDeleteTotally different topic: raw dairy free (still tasty) chocolate containing lactobacillus by the billions - Ombar buttons and Ombar cocomylk bars.
ReplyDeleteHello Peter, this last month I added Vitamin D3, Biogaia Baby Drops and Ketotifen, he flaps his hands less and now opens and closes them, like he feels a sensation in them and is more aware of it, so that was really great but now his rigid form of thinking is more pronounced, and his mood is the double as bad, he has many tantrums and shouts ''No'' to everything, and has had irrational fears again.
ReplyDeleteLisa, it is best to know which effect comes from which intervention. You might find one is good, one is bad and one has no effect. This is all highly personalized, so what is best for your son will be different to what works for others.
DeleteOk, thank you Peter :)
DeleteHi Peter
ReplyDeleteHope you are well?trust Monty is good too.
We started pentoxifylline on Saturday 100mg twice a day .We haven’t seen anything yet .How long does it take to take effect the tablet had modified release on it.
We also use Tavegil too unfortunately we have run out of stock and there’s none available anywhere in the UK or online .Please do you have any other suggestion of another alternative Incase we can no longer find tavegil .
We are also using low dose clonazepam,atorvastatin ,leucovorin ,coconut oil and prostaphane as part of our polypill.I introduced biotin for a few days and he became so hyperactive so I had to stop as it was unbearable but thankfully vocal tics have disappeared after the prednisone and he’s very quiet now .
We stopped bumetanide too as the toilet visits were too much and school kept complaining as he was going every 5 minutes .I think some OCD was involved too.His urine was tested and cultured to check for infections and all came back clear but I will try again during the half term as I do not mind the toilet visits and can cope.
We also trialled Elvanse and medikenet for adhd but he was not himself and cried all day so we had to stop it after a day trial for both.
Please do you have any suggestions on what could help with hyperactivity and calming ?what are your thoughts on riluzole and astaxanthin.
Many thanks for all your help
Apinke, since you have established that your son is a responder to bumetanide, I would make priority of making that work for him. You could try giving bumetanide after school and then you would know that school-time toilet requests are not genuine. A toilet break can become just a neat escape from boring school work.
DeleteAfter stopping bumetanide you will lose the good effects after a few days and then you will not be able to assess the effects of other interventions.
Our doctor reader Maja sees a good effect from the combination of Pentoxifylline with Bumetanide. I would find a way to make Bumetanide practical and then do your trial of Pentoxifylline.
Astaxanthin is a potent antioxidant and that is a good thing. Riluzole was not found effective in treating ADHD, but I do think in some people with autism it might be helpful. It is not cheap and I would not be in a rush to try it. It may just cause lethargy and give no benefit.
Tavegil seems to go in and out of stock in the UK. Try again in a few weeks and then keep a stockpile of it at home.
Hi Peter i've used bumetanide in the past with no result with my son.Now i'm going to try malarone on my son can yuo tell me more about tavegil and Pentoxifylline llease
DeleteDiego, Tavegil may help improve myelination and shift the brain's immune cells (microglia) to the M0 resting state. Both effects might be beneficial, but Tavegil takes a few weeks to show any beneficial effect. Tavegil is a sedating antihistamine, so it is best taken in the evening. Most people are taking a dose lower than the allergy dose, like 1mg a day (some producers quote a different measure and then it appears as 1.3mg).
DeletePentoxifylline, in those that show a benefit, works much faster and you would only need to try it for a few days. In the trials in young children a typical dose was 200mg twice a day after a meal.
Thanks Peter.I have restarted the bumetanide this evening and he has been going a lot but I will give only after school .Do you think 1mg once a day will have any effect.
ReplyDeleteI have found tavegil this evening and bought a year supply so that should last us for a while.
I will reintroduce pentoxifylline after he has been on Bumetanide for a while.
Thanks
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteWould a micro-dose of lithium worth trying to prevent or even curb aggressiveness in autism?
And talking about countries that are relatively more friendly to autism, which one come to the top of your mind?
MH
MH, Lithium Carbonate is seen as a drug to potentially treat some autism, with good reason. Some people use Lithium Orotate as an OTC autism treatment.
DeleteThere are very many reasons for aggression in autism. Some people do find Lithium Orotate helpful.
High doses of Lithium Carbonate do have side effects, the doses of Lithium Orotate commonly used are much lower.
Spain is a good place to have autism, I am told. I assume Scandinavia is another good place.
Peter,
ReplyDeleteIt looks like they do not have Malarone in India. Do you know of any online pharmacies that might ship it to India? I could eke out a prescription from a doctor here... but that's about all I can do.
Anvesh
Best to ask on an Indian forum to find what people are using. I think they would ship anywhere, but the risk of seizure at customs is on your side.
Delete