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Wednesday, 24 March 2021

Pentoxifylline – Clearly an Effective add-on Autism Therapy for some

 


They also had Pentoxifylline for autism back in the 1970s – time for a revival?

 

Pentoxifylline and other more modern PDE inhibitors have been mentioned many times in this blog.


https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/search/label/PDE4

https://epiphanyasd.blogspot.com/search/label/Pentoxifylline


Pentoxifylline has been used in autism clinical trials dating back almost 50 years. A casual observer would naturally assume it cannot possibly be effective, or else surely its use would have caught on by now.

Some readers have long been using a PDE inhibitor as part of their child’s autism polytherapy. People have been asking me to let them know my thoughts on Pentoxifylline, the most accessible PDE inhibitor.

I think the key is that we are talking about an add-on, or adjunct, therapy.  We are no longer talking about pentoxifylline therapy vs no therapy, as they were in the 1970s.  Even in those decades-old studies there was a sub group of “super responders”.  Either the percentage of such responders, or the “super-response” itself was just too small to create waves leading to wider adoption.

In my autism world, I had been trying to develop more expressive language using sulforaphane and calcium folinate (leucovorin). A comment from Valentina prompted me to finally start my trial of Pentoxifylline.  It became apparent that the amount of expressive language was increasing, but the major factor was the Pentoxifylline not the calcium folinate (leucovorin).  To avoid GI side effects, I give Pentoxifylline after meals, which means it does sometimes get omitted/forgotten. It emerged that expressive language was clearly correlated to whether Pentoxifylline was taken or forgotten.

Reviewing the old studies, increased use of language does get a mention as an effect of Pentoxifylline.

 

What is the biological effect of Pentoxifylline?

Pentoxifylline is a non-selective PDE inhibitor, which you might think is a bad thing, since it looks like is it just PDE4 that we want to inhibit.

Pentoxifylline is also a non-selective antagonist of adenosine receptors A1 and A2A that are located in both the heart and brain.  These two adenosine receptors have important roles in the brain, regulating the release of other neurotransmitters such as dopamine and glutamate.

Pentoxifylline is normally prescribed because of its effects on your blood.  It improves red blood cell deformability, reduces blood viscosity and decreases the potential for platelet aggregation and blood clot formation.  So not a bad potential drug for the effects of severe Covid (which causes "sticky" blood), or indeed the extremely rare negative reaction to Astra Zeneca’s vaccine reported in Norway.  I had my Astra Zeneca Covid shot last week and Monty will be having his. Even young children with severe autism have been vaccinated where we live, at the parents' insistence. It looks like crossing international borders is going to to be much easier with proof of vaccination, so even if you had the virus the vaccine is useful.  Most people we know have had the virus, since where we live public policy was more towards protecting livelihoods than lives.  A lack of obesity and very old people kept the death rate quite low.  Now we seem to have more vaccines than demand for them.

Studies show that Pentoxifylline increases blood flow to the brain.  We know that blood flow to the brain in autism is impaired; the research describes it as unstable rather than just weak.

It sounds like Pentoxifylline is a polytherapy in itself, it has so many effects possibly relevant to autism.

 

Are Ibudilast and Roflumilast/Daxas an alternative to Pentoxifylline?

This question has come up already in the comments section.

We know that Ibudilast and Roflumilast are much more selective for PDE4 than Pentoxifylline.  We know that both Ibudilast and Roflumilast have interesting effects on the brain.

Pentoxifylline has some potentially beneficial effects that are not shared by Ibudilast or Roflumilast.  Pentoxifylline is cheap and proven safe in a series of trials in young children. 

I think that the typical autism dose of Pentoxifylline, 200mg twice a day, likely does not provide the effect on PDE4 provided by the small dose of Roflumilast/Daxas used in trials to improve cognition and sensory gating.

I think you would need to trial the drugs separately and, if they indeed provide a benefit, find the effective combination.  

So far I have trialed the 100 mcg dose of Roflumilast/Daxas on myself to check for GI side effects and see if it affects how thoughts and sensory inputs are processed, as the research suggests it does. I think it does indeed have the cognitive effects, but in me personally the GI effects also appear.  Some readers have told me this 100 mcg dose works for Aspies, and without side effects.

Some readers have tried Ibudilast.

Ling favours Pterostilbene, a natural PDE4 inhibitor. Pterostilbene has many other modes of action, including relating to inflammation, diabetes, aging and even cancer.

  

Conclusion 


Polytherapy is becoming fashionable these days and it is about time too.  Here it is all about MS (Multiple Sclerosis):-

 

UK to test existing drugs as treatment for MS in world-first trial

“Ultimately, MS will be treated with a combination of drugs,” said Gray. “You’ll have immunomodulatory drugs and anti-inflammatory drugs that stop the immune attacks, and they will be combined with treatments that can protect nerves from damage, and treatments that can repair the damaged myelin. That should stop MS.”

 

Each drug, given individually, will not deliver a dramatic result, but in combination the effective can be substantial.

Autism also requires polytherapy.  A few small steps can take you a large stride forwards. 

I did once consider using the analogy of fixing an old car, but I thought people might not like it and also autism develops very early in life not at the end; but Professor Ramaekers used the analogy on me, so I will follow suit.

You may need to fix many things on an old car, to get it back to its former glory.  The more problems you fix, the better the result will be.  You just have to start and keep on going.

In autism, and car restoration, the order in which you fix things does matter.  You probably need to learn this the hard way.

In a near perfect car (Asperger’s) really small issues, like faulty electric windows or squeaky suspension, can be extremely annoying, though the car remains perfectly functional; it gets you from A to B.

Pentoxifylline, by itself, is not going to “cure” anyone’s autism, but for some people it will be another step in that direction.

 

Another old idea has resurfaced - sodium phenylbutyrate (shortened to NaPB).

I think this drug was used for completely the wrong reasons, by a tiny number of people, a decade ago, but now common mouse models of autism are showing that this pan-HDAC inhibitor and ER-stress inhibitor has potent beneficial effects.  It is changing gene expression via an epigenetic mechanism.

If you look on Google, it appears as another quack therapy.


Four autism treatments that worry physicians – LA Times in 2009

Four that worry physicians. The Chicago Tribune examined four treatments in depth. Medical experts said that the therapies have not been proved to help children with autism and that each also carries risks. 

#4 Phenylbutyrate

Kennedy Krieger Institute: “No research conducted into use for autism.” -- Trine Tsouderos and Patricia Callahan

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-xpm-2009-11-23-chi-autism-science-nov23-story.html


Patricia Kane, who calls herself "the queen of fatty acid therapy," initially sounds like a skeptic of alternative autism treatments. She distances herself from the Defeat Autism Now! approach and says hyperbaric oxygen therapy, IVIG and chelation drugs all can be harmful.

"If you could see what happens to children when they're given some of these crazy interventions that ruin their life, and it's so painful," said Kane, whose office is in New Jersey. "Parents say, 'Patricia Kane will tell us the truth,' and I believe parents deserve the medical truth when it comes to their children."

One of her fans is Kent Heckenlively, a California science teacher who writes for ageofautism.com, self-described as the "daily web newspaper of the autism epidemic." After spending "a couple of hundred thousands" on treatments, from chelation to stem cell therapy, for his daughter with autism, Heckenlively said Kane appealed to him in part because her protocol includes lab tests run by the prestigious Kennedy Krieger Institute.

"I can trust them, I think," Heckenlively said.

Kane, who points to neuroinflammation as a feature of autism, discusses Pardo's study in a chapter she co-wrote on autism treatments for the book "Food and Nutrients in Disease Management."

Kane says many children with autism have a buildup in their brains of a substance called very-long-chain fatty acids. Her "PK Protocol" -- named after her initials -- is aimed at burning them off with a prescription drug, phenylbutyrate, that is normally used to treat extremely rare genetic disorders in which ammonia builds up in the body.

Side effects of phenylbutyrate include vomiting, rectal bleeding, peptic ulcer disease, irregular heartbeat and depression. No clinical trials have evaluated this drug as an autism therapy, and the idea that very-long-chain fatty acids have a role in autism is not proven by science.

Kane is not a medical doctor. When treating children with autism, she says, she works in concert with the child's physician, who supervises treatment.

She said she holds a doctorate in nutrition that was issued by Columbia Pacific University, an unaccredited institution that was shut down after a lengthy court battle with the state of California. An administrative law judge in 1997 found that the school awarded excessive credit for prior experiential learning, failed to employ qualified faculty and didn't meet requirements for issuing degrees.

Kane said Columbia Pacific granted her a doctorate after the school "consolidated my work," which Kane described as "clinical work" and continuing medical education courses for doctors. Her doctorate is valid, she said, because it was issued before the university ran into problems with the state.

Last year she was the subject of a television news investigation about her work with patients with ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease. The disease, which affects motor neurons, is a death sentence.


but now in 2021, things have changed:-

 

Sodium phenylbutyrate reduces repetitive self-grooming behavior and rescues social and cognitive deficits in mouse models of autism

We found that acute and chronic treatment of NaPB remarkably improved, not only core ASD symptoms, including repetitive behaviors and sociability deficit, but also cognitive impairment in the BTBR mice. NaPB substantially induced histone acetylation in the brain of the BTBR mice. Intriguingly, the therapeutic effects of NaPB on autistic-like behaviors, such as repetitive behaviors, impaired sociability, and cognitive deficit also showed in the valproic acid (VPA)–induced mouse model of autism


These findings suggest that NaPB may provide a novel therapeutic approach for the treatment of patients with ASD.


Correcting miss-expressed genes is the holy grail for the treatment of many diseases and in particular for all those parents whose child has a single gene type of autism.  In this blog I also call them DEGs (differentially expressed genes); everyone with autism has some DEGs. There is a lot in this blog about HDAC inhibitors, these can modify gene expression via the epigenome.  HDAC inhitors therefore can potentially fix DEGs.  NaPB was approved 25 years ago by the FDA to treat urea cycle disorders and is used in children over 20 kg.  It is not cheap and as usual it is much more expensive in the United States, at a high dose it is crazily expensive like cancer drugs, many of which are also HDAC inhibitors.  NaPB is another bulk chemical they put in tablets and multiply that cost by whatever they feel like. There is a reaction against this trend in some countries, for example using cheap generic Potassium Bromide for Dravet syndrome, instead of the overly expensive tablets. 

NaPB is used off-label to treat ALS/motor neuron disease.









 

106 comments:

  1. Hi Peter Do you think it can be used with guanfacine?We are on 1mg of Guanfacine

    Thanks

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    1. Guanfacine can lower blood pressure and Pentoxifylline can increase this effect. It is probably a good idea to check blood pressure to see what it is after Guanfacine.

      Many autism drugs also lower blood pressure. Most people do not seem to experience problems taking more than one, but it is easy to check blood pressure.

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    2. Thank you Peter.We have been unable to take blood pressure because of poor cooperation but managed to take it yesterday night when he was asleep it was 85/42.So I am thinking of stopping the guanfacine to establish a baseline of what the blood pressure is without any medication versus on medication.

      We also have a tonsillectomy in a few weeks, do you think it helps in improving and symptoms as I met a mum who claimed her child started speaking after the tonsillectomy and lost his autism diagnosis though this was at age 3.Thanks

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    3. Apinke, that is a good idea to know the baseline blood pressure. Then you can notice changes. Remember to measure it at the same time time of day, because it can vary quite a lot.

      Improvement in autism after tonsil removal is very common. See this article:

      https://www.autismeye.com/tonsils/

      "Children who improved had significantly higher scores in a number of areas. These included disruptive behaviours, sleep problems, anxiety, depression and aggression"

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    4. Thanks Peter for the tip on measuring at the same time .That would never have occurred to us.Thanks for the article fingers crossed the removal will be beneficial for him too.
      Thanks for the Vernon dosing ,I got the liquid one so 5mg twice should do the trick.

      Many thanks

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  2. Hi Peter! In the Stalica talk at Synchrony, there was a mention about adding Bumetanide just to counteract the effects of a PDE inhibitor (ie PDE inhibitor was the main proposed treatment). Do you understand that reasoning? I've been meaning to go back and check on that, but haven't done yet. Thanks!

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    1. SD,I think it is just her idea for a polytherapy and she wants to differentiate it from a bumetanide pill. Some people who do not respond to bumetanide will respond to a PDE inhibitor and vice versa.

      In reality all the drugs need to be separate and you personalize the combination to each patient.

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    2. Hi Peter my son was a no responder to Bumetanide so i can try if PDE works for him

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    3. Diego,that is correct. Keeping trying plausible therapies until you find ones that work and then keep taking them.

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    4. Yes thats why i ask yuo about tavegil and pde have yuo used which result have yuo notice?

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    5. Pentoxifylline has a clear positive effect, which in my son appears as very good mood and more speech, this effect appears quickly. You only need to try it for a few days. In the literature a broad range of improvements are mentioned as possible.

      From 1978:
      https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1980-33081-001

      "Describes the successful use of pentoxifylline (150–600 mg/day) with 3–15 yr old children with abnormal behavior (e.g., self-mutilation, aggressiveness, and hyperkinesis) and with autism."

      Tavegil (Clemastine) has no short term impact, its effect develops over a few weeks. It is supposed to improve myelination and shift microglia to the resting/ramified M0 state. In my son I noted a cognitive change, with him expressing his own opinions, rather than just following instructions of others. It is a subtle but important change. In people with poor motor skills, these might be expected to improve. You would need to trial Tavegil for a couple on months and then decide if it has a benefit. Because it takes so long, it may be a subjective judgement. Tavegil might improve mood in some people, because depression is associated with poor myelination.

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    6. Yes i have tried bumetadine in the past with no result i need to find something for improve speech and social sam-e still working very good for his mood

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    7. To update: We lasted only 4 days on Pentoxyfylline and my doses were only 50mg, 50 mg, 75 mg, 75 mg. On days 3 and 4, saw behavior regressions and pretty much all issues we had (which were addressed with micro dosing Zoloft) come back. I stopped and within a day to two days, things got back to baseline.

      I am not sure if I will trial it again for confirmation. I have the feeling that my son responds pretty poorly to some of these immune modulating therapies, I need to narrow down further.

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    8. SD, Pentoxifylline is one of those interventions that works well for some, but has a major negative effect on others. You are not alone in seeing a negative effect.

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    9. I am planning to try Guanfacine as it seems to have a more well-accepted effect on HCN channels(if I can call it that, I wonder if Pentoxifylline was having the opposite effect). Have any of your readers reported cognitive gains with Guanfacine? Thank you!

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    10. SD, they are now trialing a new PDE4D inhibitor for Fragile-X.

      https://tetratherapeutics.com/tetra-discovery-partners-initiates-phase-2-trial-of-bpn14770-in-fragile-x-syndrome/

      I do think there is potential to gain a reward looking at HCN/cAMP/PDE4.

      I have no extra insights about Guanfacine.

      I think what may be happening for some people is that there is a therapeutic window when the amount of the drug in your bloodstream is within a narrow range and provides a benefit.

      I have seen interesting effects when trialing Roflumilast/Daxas, which is a readily available PDE4D inhibitor. We had one day when his school assistant asked me if I had done something new to make him talk so much. It is not so easy to get a specific level of a drug in your bloodstream. Pentoxifylline has a very short half-life while Daxas has a very long half life, so Daxas should be better once you know the correct dosage for your child. With Daxas you still have some of the drug you took 4 days ago in your bloodstream, so making a change to today's dose has less effect than you might expect. I also think different people might need different doses, for various reasons, to get the same effect, which then makes it impossible to standardize it in any kind of clinical trial.

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    11. The guanfacine was a no-go as well. The effects were being more "spacey", less engaged than typical and doing worse at learning. Tried 0.25 mg (did not see much of a difference) and 0.5mg (only negatives observed) and so pulled the plug after 2 weeks.

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  3. Not to be Captain Obvious but Caffeine of course is also an adenosine receptor antagonist, so Pentoxifylline might be best given earlier in the day and avoided in the late afternoon and evening. I don't know its half-life though but I would assume sleep quality could be compromised if too much of it is still circulating in someone near bedtime because caffeine not only increases sleep onset latency, but also decreases sleep quality.

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  4. Verapamil update: cardiologist says 10mg twice a day for her weight (26kg). She says we can discuss raising after a month on that dose and another exam. Sounds good to me.

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    1. Tatjana, it is definitely best to use the lowest possible dose and this dose may vary with the allergy season. The most likely potential problem may relate to the dentist rather than the cardiologist. There are L-type calcium channels in your gums, and in some people blocking these channels causes gum inflammation. This varies very much person to person, only a minority have a big issue. It is dose dependent.

      People with this issue may need to lower their dose and need to take care cleaning between teeth with floss and inter-dental brushes. Monty does this every evening, as a precaution. I would hate not to be able to use Verapamil and see the return of summertime raging.

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  5. I think the dose will work for now, because allergens are low and will remain so for about 4 weeks at least. Anecdotally, from now till Ambrosia season is her golden patch of time and the 10mg should do fine. I want to keep the 20mg for Ambrosia, which is when we usually lose 1/3 of gains we got till then.
    We use the same cardiologist about once every year and she was beyond impressed with my daughter, who had an ultrasound, an ecg and blood pressure measuring with minimal whinging. She really can see the improvement and this is why I think its easy to get her on board for all we propose.

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  6. Hello Peter, I have suspended Pentoxifylline for a while, my son's vocal stimming is back, and his fearless climbing, though I carefully lowered the dose at first he said in the mornings that he felt that his brain fell to the ground, he's obssesed with the game plants vs zombies, so this made it easier for him to express how he feels, at first his language worsened, then it seemed better, I think he is responding to folinic acid, but I don't understand why he gains and looses language even without changing his interventions. I've waited to see if stopping Pentoxifylline has had an effect on his hypersexual behaviour and it only reduced very little. I've been looking at Roflumilast, BCAAS and L-Aspartic Acid, and still can't decide, just by looking at him I'm not sure if he can have high Dopamine, I have a brother that noticeably may have it high, and I am completely the opposite, slow in everything.

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    1. So there is evidence for "high dopamine" in the dorsal striatum and ventral striatum which are parts of the brain which is important for regulating the proper amount of output for a given action whether it be emotional, motor, or cognitive as well as sequencing actions together, however, other research suggests that their hyperactivity could be the result of other causes which specifically cause the so-called direct pathway to be hyperactive and the indirect pathway to be hypoactive.

      In the direct pathway, in the dorsal striatum there are receptors called mglur5 or metabotropic glutamate receptor 5, and these are on astrocytes as well as neurons in the dorsal striatum and when mglur5 is mutated in a particular way, you get hyperactivity of the direct pathway. Likewise, if you have too many D2 or dopamine 2 receptors, the indirect pathway will be suppressed as D2 receptors are a neuromodulating receptor that decreases the firing rate of neurons. This does not mean that there is too much dopamine, but it can suggest that limiting dopamine in these areas may help rebalance these two pathways as less dopamine will inhibit the direct pathway (initiate action) while boosting the indirect pathway (turn off action).

      Also, in the ventral striatum and another nearby small structure it links to called the ventral pallidum, the neurons have many opioid receptors of all types so while dopamine issues or dopamine receptor issues can cause hyperactivity in this area which is linked to SIB, aggression, and repetitive behaviors, there could be an opioid problem as the root cause of the dysfunction (these parts of the brain are also very sensitive to serotonin as well). The L-Aspartic acid therapy was specifically for dealing with excess endogenous opioids and you can find my reasoning for its use by searching for it under my name here (I first posted about its use maybe 8-9 years ago on this blog). The BCAA therapy of course can deal with excess dopamine and/or serotonin (to replace brain serotonin when using BCAA's requires 5-HTP concurrent with BCAA use).

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    2. Thank you for your advice Tyler, I didn't see your comment until today, I will search for your comments and try to better understand it.

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  7. I have recently started to think a lot about reward circuitry in autism and aspergers as well. I have tried explaining myself to people since I was a teenager - that I really value most the things I get for free (in terms of effort or money) and that I am undermotivated. Which was obvious because despite my extremely high IQ and capabilities I was just your average excellent student when it was very obvious I was capable of amazing things. Competition of any kind was a big no to me, as well.
    So thats me with my HFAsperger, and then comes along mty daughter. She has autism and she considers the offer of a reward an insult. You wil seriously undermine any effort by trying that route. Aba worked because I was in the room and she wanted to do good by me, like any child does for his mother and especially a child with little other social connections. to this day, she will do anything at all only for people she has an emotional connection with, and its particularly hard to explain this to ‘experts’ who want their theoretically very well founded approaches to work. unless she likes you, they won’t.
    i truly believe, knowing my own way of functioning and hers, that reward circuitry is a big big thing in autism and repairing it can be awesome.
    We introduced oxytocin spray now and it made a big difference, and we are only at half dose now. awaiting vasopressin. should they be given separately and by how many hours?

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    1. ABA works best when the therapist is the reinforcer. Then they work for hugs, high 5s or just a "good job!". Monty adored his ABA therapist, no gummy bears were required.

      Edible reinforcers may well be needed at the start, but you have to fade them.

      I do not know if anyone is giving both intranasal oxytocin and vasopressin. You probably need to space out the dosage so as to allow the hormone to get fully absorbed. I would guess that you would want to leave at least 2-3 hours.

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    2. in that case I will guve oxy a good monthlong run and then a washout 3 days and then try vaso. she did like her therapist but you know, to the extent a child can like a teacher. she mostly worked to get a break :-). the breaks were her reward :-)))).

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    3. Hi Tatjana

      Where do you source oxy and vaso nasal spray from? Pls share. Thanks, Rahul

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  8. Hi
    I would like to try Calcium Flonate for my son.However it needs prescription.Do you know where I could get it online w/o prescription.I cpuld not find Leucovorin in Mexico pharmacy.
    Thanks
    SD

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    1. SD, you can actually buy it from iHerb. Google folinic acid iHerb. 15mg is 25 drops. Being in drops makes it very practical.

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  9. Could you please explain how 25 drops is 15mg?
    The one at iHerb says 1 drop is 400 mcg.

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    1. For 15 mg of folate you actually need 22.5 drops to be precise.

      The labeling on products is not always clear. This product actually says 1 drop contains 667 mcg of folate. Then it says 400 mcg as Folinic acid, from calcium folinate. It does not actually say how much calcium folinate is contained.

      My own calcium folinate tablets are unambiguous, they contain 15mg of calcium folinate. They do not give the equivalent of folate or folinic acid.

      The same applies with Clemastine. My product says 1 mg and yet in other countries the same tablet is marked 1.3 mg, because my tablet contains 1.3mg of clemastine hydrogen fumarate. The confusion is unnecessary, but inevitable.






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    2. Hi Peter,
      My son's neurologist,Dr Chez wrote a prescription for Leucovorin at my persuation but it is only 10mg per day.My son weighs abt 60 lb.
      Let's see how this goes.Nothing has worked for my son so far.So keeping my hopes low.
      Thanks
      SD

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    3. SD, that is interesting, I would have thought Dr Chez would be in touch with Dr Frye and know about his trials. Maybe Dr Chez is skeptical.

      I think you might need a dose 3X higher.

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    4. Hi Peter,
      Do you think the prescription Leucovorin and the one from iHerb have the same potency?
      Thanks
      SD

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    5. SD, if you had access to the prescription version and the iHerb version at the same cost, you would certainly choose the prescription version.

      We know that the quality control for supplements is not uniform, so the issue is consistency as well as potency. This supplement is not difficult to make, so it should be fine.

      If your son responds to the iHerb version, you can vary the number of drops to see what works best and then stick at that dosage. There are other readers of this blog doing this.

      In the US, Leucovorin is expensive, whereas in the rest of the world the generic version is cheap and sold in some countries without prescription.

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  10. Hi Peter, after 7 malarone pills nothing out of the ordinary, but a little calm, and a little more cooperative, you may be given the small dose, I will leave it for a few days and I will try 2-3 pills again, I am Disappointed, I had high hopes that we would unlock it, and I do not understand why it did not work, what we are struggling with, malarone area a fairly large spectrum (antiviral, antiparasitic, anti-mold), in the past I administered nystatin, about a month and then he became very violent and aggressive, yes, I hope I don't lose hope ....

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    1. George, you really have to give the treatment dosage as in the leaflet. The lower dosage (prophylactic) does not work. as you seem to have a larger child, this is at least 3 pills every day. We have a child of 25kg and she gets 2 pills.

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    2. Thanks, Tatjana, so I gave her a low dose? I'll try 3 pills to see if we see an improvement (wow), if I don't try bumetanide, have a good day ....

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    3. I don’t know what dose is right for your child, it goes by weight, its in the box of the medication on the leaflet. But its the treatment dose, the higher dose.

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    4. https://gskpro.com/content/dam/global/hcpportal/en_US/Prescribing_Information/Malarone/pdf/MALARONE.PDF

      Treatment (2.2):
      Adults: Four adult strength tablets as a single daily dose for 3 days

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  11. Peter, I haven't tried bumetanide, I was afraid of losing potassium, Denis only eats fruit, but fruit juices, and we have a very limited diet, he doesn't eat anything raw and without being prepared, I don't understand why comes this food refusal, responded well to verapamil, NAC and Bioray plants, do you think I should try bumetanide? I think I'll give him a supplement with potassium and magnesium.

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    1. George, everyone with severe autism should trial bumetanide. You have at least 40% chance of him being a responder. The effect in some people is very substantial.

      You can add potassium to food or drink. This should not hold you back.

      Your son is large and I would suggest you trial 2mg once a day for a month. I would add 500mg of potassium as a supplement. It will cause dieresis for a couple of hours, so plan ahead to find the best time to give the bumetanide. My son has it at 6.30 am, 2 hours before school starts.

      If Bumetanide is not available in Romania, you can buy it across the border in Serbia very cheaply and without a prescription. It is called Yurinex and costs about EUR 2 for 20 x 1 mg pills.

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  12. I just wish to notify anyone who cares that dr Nicola Antonucci in Bari has managed to source suramin.

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  13. We are about to start a trial of ketotifen. It is expensive through the compounding pharmacy in capsule form, although certainly worth it if it helps. But I also noticed that there is a much cheaper and easily available opthalmic form, and I'm wondering if that might also have systemic effects.

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    1. well, as yoi know naviaux is doing a nasal spray for his upcoming trials. since the suramin antonucci has acess to is in raw form it can also be made into eye drops.

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    2. Hi Peter what do yuo think about suramin if yuo can get yuo will try on yuor son?

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    3. I do like the idea of Suramin without injecting it into your child's veins. I would be happy to give the nasal spray.

      In the recent trial it was reported that:-

      "At Week 14, there was a mean 48% improvement from baseline in the ABC Core in patients on active treatment vs. 31% on placebo, with twice as many actively treated patients exhibiting a 70% or greater improvement vs. placebo."

      That placebo was pretty effective.

      I do not see Suramin as likely being the unifying wonder cure for autism, that some expect. But, I think it will benefit some people and be a useful therapy for that sub-group.

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    4. Where did yuo read about this trial about the nasal spray

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    5. https://www.paxmedica.com/pipeline

      PAX-102 (Intranasal Suramin)
      PaxMedica has developed a proprietary intranasal formulation of suramin that is currently being evaluated in ASD and other neurodevelopmental conditions.

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    6. Good afternoon,

      Using ketotifen eye drops in the nostrils might be an effective solution, since the eye drops are cheap and widely available. I am not sure if this is something you have tried yet.

      These researchers used ketotifen eye drops in the nose and they found it quite effective for allergies:

      "Because systemic absorption of drugs is poor through the eyes, domestically manufactured ketotifen eye drops were used intranasally. Nasal drug administration has some advantage including direct absorption to the systemic blood supply, increasing bioavailability of drug, fast onset of action, no need for sterility, and no known contraindication for using eye drops intranasally."

      Comparing the effects of ketotifen fumarate eye drops and ketotifen oral pills on symptom severity and quality of life in patients with allergic rhinitis: a double-blind randomized clinical trial
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/alr.21491

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  14. Good Day.

    Peter, Is Pentoxifylline XR same as standard release ?

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    1. Riza, XR means extended release. This will produce a longer lasting effect than the standard release version.

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  15. Dear Peter, me and a couple of interested and capable parents who have good reason to believe that we can pull this off in terms of infrastructure and administration would like to organize a medical conference on applicable science in autism for the doctors of our country/region. We have spoken to some local stakeholders who have their own reasons and this seems possible. Our topics would be FRAT, bumetanide, FMT, stem cells and pans/pandas. In that sense, we would like to ask if we could secure your help, once we are more organized in practical terms, to help us invite dr Ben Ari and dr Ramaekers, and meet their terms whatever they are? Provisionally, May next year is our goal for now.

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    1. Tatjana, I am happy to help you.

      I think the experience with online conferences may mean that even post-covid some older researchers are going to want to appear virtually. This has the advantage of reducing costs of the conference substantially, since all you pay is their travel costs, so this cost becomes zero.

      An interesting point to consider is providing translation into the local language. Many doctors do not speak good English and understanding a complex subject in your second/third language is asking too much.

      I am presenting at a virtual conference in Moscow and they offer the audience choice of real-time audio in English or Russian. My Powerpoint presentation is being translated into Russian. I am impressed. It is a lot of extra work, but then 100% of the audience get informed. The practical problem is getting the presentations in advance so they can be translated.

      I think the future is hybrid events, when you combine a physical event with both some speakers and some audience who are remote.

      You will be able to get some of the Californian doctors to participate remotely. There is a good Greek doctor/researcher, Prof Evangeliou, in Thessaloniki, which is not so far away.

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  16. Thanks for your help. We have already addressed the issue of translation and will provide both translated written material to follow what is on the screen as well as simultaneous translation. Could be that some people decide to offer only virtual appearances thoiugh I believe we should strive for real life meetings. Post Covid, some people might even miss that.

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    1. It is also about how you fund the event. Ideally you have sponsors. The more people, both doctors and parents, that get educated the better.

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  17. Peter,

    Do I need to give Pentoxifylline long time treatment or is it a short time treatment

    My son is 9yold.
    _________________

    I am 40 y old aspi. with slow procesing power so can you suggest me some prescription drugs

    I'll do my own research and use it

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    1. If Pentoxifylline is beneficial, you would need to keep taking it to retain those benefits. So it would be a long term anti-inflammatory therapy.

      It is important to critically appraise all therapies and only use the ones that give a genuine benefit in your specific case.

      Often parents try the child's autism therapies on themselves first to check for safety. Sometimes parents end up taking the same therapy as their child - this should not be a surprise.

      So I would first look at what helped your son and then broaden you search to what works for other Aspies. Some Aspies respond well to Baclofen, others do not. Some Aspies respond well to Agmatine, which speeds things up for some people with severe autism.

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  18. Never though of it this way, but Israeli scientists did. They did imaging on asd kids brains before and after cord blood therapy and in those who improved they saw more synapses. Supercool proof that its not a placebo. https://m.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-researchers-testing-if-cord-blood-could-help-treat-autism-663819?fbclid=IwAR3evw30MlZdcteudG2FWPYo6xDqpb6xB5i1Dt4rjb1M1LaoADatj8dGnKw

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  19. We absolutely adored the effect verapamil had on our child behaviourally. It basically erased what was the anxiety of pans/pandas. However we are now in our second wave of sore throat and nausea without known cause and believe there to be a high likelihood that this is the side effect of verapamil. We will check if this is at all likely at this dosage, but at this point - can you think of alternatives that will help in a similar manner but without the sore throat?

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    1. You would have to look for L-type calcium channel blockers that can cross the blood brain barrier.

      The ones used for headaches might be interesting. Alternatives to Verapamil for headaches include Amlodipine and Nimodipine.

      Nifedipine was trialed for anxiety and had no effect.

      All the above can have side effects in some people.

      Both Donepezil and Memantine block calcium channels in addition to their better known effects on Alzheimer's/Autism.

      There is also olive leaf extract which is known to be an L type calcium channel blocker.

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  20. hm. donepezil was anyway on my list. i talked to both my sister in law who is gp and my daughters pediatrician today and both said they never saw this side effect in practice, with my SIL having dozens of patients taking it in much higher dose. I will confer with the cardiologist. thanks for your recommendations. i tried looking into why it would cause problems with the throat and sinuses as a side effect but could not find anything.

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  21. Thank you, Peter

    2 doses of PENTOXIFYLINE reversed my sons 6 months of profound anxiety which we were fighting with many herbs and prescription (with a Doctor)

    We always thought it something like pans/pandas

    But we don't see any cognitive gains

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    1. Riza, at least one problem is solved. There are many reasons why cognition may be impaired.

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  22. Peter, did you consider this when adding Pentoxifilline? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20201780/

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    1. Tatjana, there are numerous drug interactions but fortunately they are well documented, like here:-

      https://www.drugs.com/interaction/list/?drug_list=2297-0,1826-0

      If you use polytherapy you have to assume there will be interactions, very often this means you can lower the dosage of one of the drugs.

      I think this is one reason why low dose clonazepam may appear not to work, or "stop working". The therapeutic dosage range is narrow and new drugs being taken may shift it.

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  23. Yes, its all very touch and go. I will anyway have to stop verapamil for at least 2 weeks. I may as well try pento during that time.

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  24. What specific version of the medication pentoxifilline are you using? pills? extended release or not?

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    1. I am using Trental 400 mg. It is a solid pink tablet, but it does say modified release.

      It is usually taken 3 times a day so it is not your standard extended release capsule.

      In the old clinical trials for autism they used a dosage of 200mg twice a day.

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  25. so you cut yours in half and that works?

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    1. Yes, that will work. I just snapped them in half with my fingers.

      My son is nearly an adult, so I moved on to a full tablet once a day with breakfast. You need to take it with food or GI side effects are likely.

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  26. Hi Peter do yuo know where i can find nitrosinaptina i heard that is avaible in cream but can't find it

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    1. I doubt you can buy Nitrosynapsin, it is still an experimental drug.

      It is like a super-Memantine. It has a "nitric oxide mimetic effect" added to the standard Memantine drug.

      For other readers, the paper below explains why it might improve the E/I imbalance in autism and Alzheimer's.

      Pharmacological manipulation of cGMP and NO/cGMP in CNS drug discovery
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645969/

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    2. What combo of drugs (Memantine + ?) would theoretically mimic Nitrosynapsin? Agmatine?

      /Ling

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    3. Ling, Agmatine would seem a good choice. Agmatine does show a benefit in Alzheimer studies.

      If someone finds Memantine gives a benefit to their child with autism, it would not be unreasonable to add some Agmatine and see if there is a further benefit. Does adding Agmatine produce a benefit in a child who was previously a Memantine non-responder?

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  27. My son was a memantine nonresponder so i can try agmatine to see if works.Peter what yuo used for speech delay?

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    1. At the age of 3.5 years we started PECS (picture exchange communication system), this prompted simple speech to emerge. I think if you addressed the core biological problems at an early age speech would develop faster.

      In the research it looks like leucovorin responders make big steps forward in speech.

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  28. Hi Peter yes i know about Leuoco it made my son mad he is functional verbal but not conversational

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    1. You may need therapy more than drugs. My son has 1:1 "speech" practice with his Assistant. The more time spent on speech over school work, the more he talks. So it is a process that takes years.

      Pentoxifylline is increasing my son's speech, Leucovorin seemed to help, but made him aggressive, even when slowly increasing the dosage to 45mg/day.

      Pentoxifylline has the advantage of being cheap and easy for me to obtain.

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  29. Hi Peter yes i had the same reaction at just 12 mg dose so i stopped Leuco.Where did yuo buy Pentoxifylline which dose have tried?

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    1. According to Prof Ramaekers, some people, who actually are responders, need time to get used to Leucovorin, so you start at a low dose and build up. Ideally you would do the blood test for folate receptor antibodies.

      I buy Pentoxifylline in my local pharmacy. For the starting dose, it makes sense to be the one used in the old clinical trials which was 200 mg twice a day after a meal, but that was in young children. Now I use 400mg once a day, after breakfast.

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  30. Hi Peter! What good news! Glad Pentoxifylline worked for your son. I tell you that with the double dose, it wasn't better. At that time, I decided to stop and see what happened without Pentoxifylline. After a while, the obsessive questions or themes returned, started again to collect things,some tics and anxiety. I almost had forgotten about Pentoxifylline and started to ask me what was missing! We returned with Pentoxifylline 20 days ago with a single 400 mg dose and the gains returned and those behaviours left. I am very happy!
    Valentina

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    1. Valentina, that is great news! I was wondering how you were getting on with Pentoxifylline. Hopefully, it continues to work well for your son.

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  31. You mention 200 mg twice/day as a typical dose of pentoxyfilline - would this be scaled to weight, or is it not weight-dependent?

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    1. Sara, Pentoxifylline has been around for 50 years as a possible autism therapy. It has been used at different doses. The 200 mg twice a day looks like a typical dose in a young child.

      The limited feedback I have received is that in older children, and young adults, 400 mg once a day works well and that a higher dose gives no additional benefit.

      The research actually suggests that Pentoxifylline is more likely to be effective in younger children.

      Nobody has established whether the dose is weight dependent, but it is always prudent to start at the lower dosage.

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  32. Hi Peter i would like to try Pentoxifylline on my son and see if it help.I've been seeing his obsessive behaviors increase for a few months he spends his days pulling things everywhere from the stairs from the windows I can't stop him what can help calm these dop or doc I don't even know what to call them

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    1. For many people NAC helps with obsessive behaviors. Outside North America, NAC is still available.

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  33. Hi Peter i don't remember if i have tried on the past but i would try again no problem i will see the effect right afther 600 mg 4 time a days right?

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    1. Yes, that is a good dosage of NAC to trial. The effect is within the same day.

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  34. Yes now that i'm Reading a few post i remember that i was afraid because i read that many going crazy with that lots said that was about candida overgrowth other sulfor what do yuo think about?

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    1. I think NAC is the most used autism therapy. It works for most but not all people. Make a trial for a few days.

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  35. Hi Peter i saw some small improvment in ocd on my son more quite with NAC so i will continuing and hope in more progress.I get a ketoforce from iherb and see if it can help instead of bumetanide that doesn't work which is the dose for 11 years old 38 kg?

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    1. 10 ml of ketoforce, which contains 4g of BHB,is a good dose to try. Ketoforce contains sodium BHB and potassium BHB. Some products contain calcium BHB and may not work well for some people.

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  36. Hi Peter i have bought the instaketones potassium that yuo suggest in yuor post and it is in power so how to measures?

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    1. One scoop contains 13.8g of which 10g is BHB.

      To get 4g of BHB, you can use 40% of a scoop or use micro scales to weigh it. I would just judge it by eye a bit less than half a scoop.

      It contains a lot of potassium, so do not give any other potassium supplement.

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  37. Hi Peter what do yuo know about this:

    "3-months of adrenocorticotrophic hormone therapy completely CURES regressive autism ↓"

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    1. Diego, there is an old paper from 2002 now circulating on this subject. I was sent it last week.

      Treatment of late onset autism as a consequence of probable autommune processes related to chronic bacterial infection
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12478882/


      "in this paper two cases will be described of children who had Late Onset Autism coinciding with reactivation of a chronic bacterial infection. An aetiological hypothesis of an autoimmune process was made, and they received immunosuppressive treatment with good results.

      In the case of the girl treated promptly:

      "she received 10 mg of prednisone daily, associated with ampicillin (as prophylatic treatment) and a low sodium diet. Her attention improved, she became less aggressive, but remained mute, and developed bulimia and cushingoid signs, in spite of the low dosage of the corticoid. Because of this, prednisone was replaced by ACTH which had demonstrated fewer side effects.

      25 days later she was able to pronounce a few words, to
      understand demands, was attentive, calm and less isolated. ACTH was then discontinued, after slow reduction of the dosage, but within a few days she had a global regression. ACTH was again prescribed, and after 40 days there was a
      great improvement. The hormone dosage was slowly reduced, but at the end of 15 days, with 4 IU/day, A. was again isolated and only uttered inarticulate sounds. Because of this, the
      ACTH dosage was increased to 12.5 mcg/day, and this time maintained for 90 days; she showed progressive improvement, until complete normalisation of her behaviour, including
      reaction to pain. In July 1988, when treatment was dropped, the EEG was normal, and she was able to pronounce several words and simple phrases.
      As she still had hypertrophied and hyperaemic tonsils and adenoids twice during the hospitalisation, in spite of the continuous antibiotic treatment, an adeno-tonsillectomy was performed soon after ACTH was discontinued.
      Before the hormonal treatment, the cortisol dosage over eight hours was 8.1 mcg/dl (vs. a normal dosage of 7 to 30 mcg/dl at her age); repeated every two weeks, it showed a gradual
      increase, reaching 20.0 mcg/dl in June, before the reduction of the ACTH dosage. During this hormone treatment she did not develop cushingoid signs, and glycaemia and calcium
      levels were always normal. When first examined, in September 1987, she weighed 9.5 kg and was 87.0 cm tall; in July 88, her weight was 11.6 kg and height 90.0 cm, and an X-ray of her wrist and hands showed a bone age of 30 months. A fact that was observed by the nurses on the ward was her resistance to having her hair combed, or exploding when her head was ouched, as if she had a hypersensitive scalp; this reaction (observed in other children treated in the CAPS with the same aetiological hypothesis) disappeared after treatment.
      She continued to be followed up until July 1995.
      At that time, neuro-psychological tests evidenced normal intelligence and no cognitive dysfunction.. She continued to be a beautiful and healthy girl, was a good student of the 4"'
      grade and displayed normal behaviour.

      This is a good example of the prompt use of immuno-modulatory therapy in someone where a possible cause of their regressive autism was identified in good time.

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  38. Thank yuo Peter yuo are amazing i need yuor help for something very serius about suramin if yuo can contact me in private so i can explain at s_migliori@yahoo.it

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  39. FYI.
    200mg of pentoxfiline more affective than 400mg With our 9y old son
    It dramatically improved his anxiety and mood within couple of days

    Now we are going to try 100mg.

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    1. Riza, great news. It is very interesting when lower doses work better. You are not the first to report this with Pentoxifylline. You wonder how many people gave up because their dose was too high to be effective.

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  40. Peter, we've trialed both immediate release pentoxifylline tablets, 100mg a day split in 2 doses, as well as ER pentoxyfilline aka Trental, at 50mg, 100mg, even 200mg. The immediate release produced great results in all areas, esp. more speech and social interest. However the trental ER had no such effective at any of the 3 doses tried, and in fact it actually only produced more sleeplessness. Very disappointing. Sadly in the US the immediate release is not available without rx to get it at a compounding pharmacy.
    Mkate

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    1. Mkate, that is very interesting.

      We also saw that Verapamil immediate release was much more effective than the extended release version.

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    2. MKate, when you tried extended release did you have your child swallow it or did you crush it and gave? I'm wondering if removing the coating of extended release and crushing it would have the same effect as Immediate Release tablet. Peter, any thoughts on this? TIA

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    3. Janu, if you remove the coating you should get the full drug effect immediately.

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