Source: https://ojrd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13023-021-01744-1/figures/2
I recently received an email from a
mother in New Zealand asking about what might help her adult son, recently
diagnosed with an extremely rare type of “autism” called elF3f - related neurodevelopmental disorder.
This post is just based on a preliminary
investigation, I think much more would be possible if a serious full-time
review was made. This applies to all the other single gene autisms that are “untreatable”.
eIF3f (eukaryotic translation initiation factor 3 subunit f)
elF3f is one of the more complicated genes/proteins with multiple functions. In
layman’s terms it is involved in making all the other proteins.
eIF3f is a subunit of the eIF3 complex, hence
the “f” on the end. It is required for several steps in the initiation of
protein synthesis.
We saw how elF4 plays a role in how Fragile X
causes intellectual disability. eIF4 is another
translation initiation factor that plays a key role in the initiation of
protein synthesis.
The eIF4 complex and the eIF3 complex interact with each other
to form the translation initiation complex. This complex is responsible for
bringing together the mRNA, the ribosome, and the initiator tRNA, which allows
protein synthesis to begin. I did warn
you it gets complicated!
eIF4 and eIF3 are
both essential for the initiation of protein synthesis.
eIF3f
is also involved in the regulation of cell growth and proliferation, making it
a target gene in cancer therapy, where eIF3f can be overexpressed or under-expressed.
In spite of what the Simon’s
Foundation’s Searchlight project
Simons
Search - Partnering with families. Understanding genetic changes.
Driven
by science. United by hope
In
order to create scientific breakthroughs for rare genetic neurodevelopmental
disorders, families and scientists must come together. Simons Searchlight‘s
mission is to shed light on these disorders by collecting high-quality,
standardized natural history data and building strong partnerships between
researchers, industry and families. Families like yours are the key to making
meaningful progress.
and others say that “at this point, there are no medicines
designed to treat the syndrome”, there certainly are potential treatment
strategies available.
The mother did question whether there
are similarities with Rett syndrome. You
can apparently reduce expression of eIF3f
using the common supplement EGCG (Epigallocatechin Gallate). EGCG has been
found to benefit Rett syndrome.
I think what is likely required for eIF3f-related neurodevelopmental
disorder is the exact opposite, which is to increase expression of eIF3f.
Sources of data:-
GeneCards - EIF3F Gene - Eukaryotic Translation Initiation Factor 3
Subunit F
https://www.genecards.org/cgi-bin/carddisp.pl?gene=EIF3F
RGD - EIF3F (eukaryotic translation
initiation factor 3 subunit F) Homo sapiens
https://rgd.mcw.edu/rgdweb/report/gene/main.html?id=1314535
The above two sites do provide a great deal of information, but I think a lot is auto-generated and there are mistakes.
What we are looking for are safe
substances that change expression of the gene eIF3f.
According to GeneCards there is only
one substance - quercetin.
According to RGD there is a long
list. This did look very promising, but
when I looked at the linked references I did not always find that the
supporting data exists. This is a
problem with AI (artificial intelligence), it can make things up.
Sometimes you have to go back to the
basic science.
There is evidence that activating
the PI3K/AKT/mTOR signaling pathway will increase eIF3f
expression.
One known was to do that would be via increasing IGF-1 – insulin-like
growth factor 1. You can inject IGF-1 and it has even been trialed in autism.
In New Zealand there is an OTC supplement called CGPMax that claims to
increase IGF-1.
I checked and indeed there is some evidence that CGPMax may also increase the expression of
eIF3f.
“There is some evidence that CGPMax may also
increase the expression of eIF3f. In a study of ER-positive breast cancer
cells, CGPMax was shown to increase the expression of eIF3f mRNA and protein.
This was thought to be due to the inhibition of CDK4/6, which led to the
activation of the PI3K/AKT/mTOR signaling pathway.”
AI generated
Since our reader is in New Zealand and wants a supplement rather than a drug, I think CGPMax is a good fit and certainly worth a trial.
One of the substances suggested by the
RGD site was valproic acid. This looked
great news because valproic acid, an anti-epileptic drug (AED), is often used to safely treat even young
children.
Why does Valproic acid apparently
increase eIF3f mRNA? That would highly likely be down to it being
an HDAC inhibitor which causes it to make epigenetic changes that turn on/off
our genes.
We know that some single gene autism
can be treated by HDAC inhibitors, at least in mouse models. The potent HDAC
inhibitors are now used to treat cancer. One parent I met at the Thinking
Autism conference was desperate to access one of these potent drugs for her
child’s single gene autism, similar to Kabuki syndrome.
Broccoli sprouts produce an HDAC
inhibitor, called sulforaphane.
I could not find any supporting data
why valproic acid was listed, the linked reference did not actually refer to eIF3f.
Nonetheless it is harmless to try
broccoli sprouts.
Quercetin
Another common product popped up in my
brief review and that was Quercetin. I had not expected to find that. There is
a reaction between quercetin and eIF3f.
It is not fully understood.
Quercetin is a widely available OTC
product and simple to trial.
Estradiol
It is
known that estradiol can increase the expression of eIF3f.
The
effect of estradiol on eIF3f expression is likely mediated by the estrogen
receptor alpha (ERα). We have seen that
estrogen receptor beta (ERβ) is under-expressed in autism.
Increasing estradiol, or indeed
reducing testosterone, has been proposed as an autism therapy. This is not a
simple strategy. In cancer therapy
radical steps are taken to reduce sex hormones, because it is the only way to
stop the growth of certain types of cancer.
Disturbing the level of male/female
hormones will have body-wide effects. The
“men” who currently take large doses of female hormones are going to have
consequences later in life.
There is dietary therapy in the form
of phytoestrogens that is known to be safe.
The Japanese eat a lot of soy products.
Soy is a particularly good source of
phytoestrogens, especially a type of phytoestrogen called isoflavones.
Isoflavones are similar in structure to estrogen, but they are much weaker.
Incorporating more soy products into
diet would seem a reasonable strategy.
Others
There is some evidence that the antibiotic gentamicin can activate the
gene eIF3f. It is given by injection.
Among the list of substance that can
increase eIF3f mRNA are
some quite toxic substances like BPA found in plastic packaging. Another interesting option was listed under “anti-rheumatic drugs”, this actually
refers to tocilizumab. This is an anti-arthritis drug given to people over the
age of two. Since it ends in -mab, we
can infer that it contains monoclonal antibodies, in this case to
interleukin-6.
Tocilizumab
would likely be helpful in many people with other kinds of autism with a strong
auto-immune component.
eIF3f-specific treatments
vs treat as idiopathic autism
We know from readers with children
with different single gene autisms, that are supposed to be untreatable, that
these children often respond well to therapies in use for autism of unknown
origin (idiopathic autism).
Almost all autism features
neuroinflammation, activated microglia etc. Most autism features oxidative
stress. Most autism features impaired
myelination. Much autism features mitochondrial dysfunction.
There are specific insights that a
genetic diagnosis does give you. In the
case of eIF3f, we are
dealing with hypo-active (REDUCED) pro-growth signaling. That means the
opposite to the kids born with macrocephaly (big heads).
This excellent framework was explained in this old post
https://www.epiphanyasd.com/2015/12/one-of-thousands-autism.html
IGF-1 was mentioned earlier as a possible therapy. Note that growth hormone (GH) is made in the anterior pituitary gland, it is released into the blood stream, and then stimulates the liver to produce IGF-1. IGF-1 then stimulates systemic body growth, and has growth-promoting effects on almost every cell in the body.
More IGF-1 would lead to more growth.
Even in an adult you can increase the density of dendritic spines.
As shown in the chart above on the
lower right, in today’s disorder we have decreased protein synthesis.
Now back to the science and the basics of this syndrome.
eIF3f-related
neurodevelopmental disorder (EIF3F-RND) is a rare genetic disorder that causes
a variety of neurological and developmental problems. It is caused by mutations
in the eIF3f gene,
which provides instructions for making a protein that is involved in protein
synthesis. It has to be inherited from both parents.
If both parents are carriers, there is a 25% chance
that each child will have EIF3F-RND, a 50% chance that each child will be a
carrier, and a 25% chance that each child will not have EIF3F-RND and will not
be a carrier.
If only one parent is a carrier of the mutated gene, there is a 50% chance that each child will be a carrier, and a 50% chance that each child will not be a carrier and will not have EIF3F-RND.
The incidence of EIF3F-related neurodevelopmental disorder (EIF3F-RND) is
unknown. However, it is estimated to be a very rare disorder, affecting less
than 1 in 100,000 people. This is likely due to the fact that EIF3F-RND is
caused by mutations in a single gene. In order for a child to be affected, both
parents must carry a copy of the mutated gene. If only one parent is a carrier,
the child will be a carrier, but will not be affected.
The incidence of EIF3F-RND may also be underestimated, as it is a relatively newly identified disorder. As more people are diagnosed with the disorder, the incidence rate may increase.
EIF3F-RND is caused by under-expression of the eIF3f protein.
Symptoms of
EIF3F-RND can vary widely from person to person, but may include:
- Intellectual disability
- Developmental delay
- Seizures
- Hypotonia (low muscle tone)
- Microcephaly (small head size)
- Autism spectrum disorder
- Facial dysmorphism
Source:
https://ojrd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13023-021-01744-1/figures/2
Interactions with other genes/proteins
One feature of the GeneCards website
is that you can see a representation of which are the most important
interactions of a gene/protein.
This can sometimes suggest a possible
therapy, since one of these related genes might be easier to treat.
In the case of eIF3f almost all the interactions are with other
elF-somethings.
The
RPS-somethings below are all genes that translate mRNA into proteins.
So, everything below is part of the machinery cells have to make proteins.
EIF3F-related neurodevelopmental
disorder research
The EIF3F-NDR research is still in its infancy.
There need to be a models made that can suggest which downstream genes
are affected and hence might be treatable.
An eIF3f activator is a drug or other compound that can increase the expression or
activity of the eIF3f protein.
Currently, there are no known eIF3f activators that are approved for clinical use. However, researchers are
developing a number of different approaches to activating EIF3F, including:
- Small
molecule drugs: Researchers are screening libraries of small
molecules to identify compounds that can bind to eIF3f and increase its
activity.
- Gene
therapy: Gene therapy could be used to deliver a working copy of the eIF3f gene to cells in the nervous system.
- CRISPR
gene editing: CRISPR gene editing could be used to correct mutations
in the eIF3f gene.
In addition to the above
approaches, there are a number of other things that could potentially be done
to activate eIF3f, such as:
- Identifying
and targeting upstream regulators of eIF3f: Researchers could
identify and target other proteins or genes that regulate the expression
or activity of eIF3f. This could lead to the development of new drugs or
other therapies that could be used to activate eIF3f indirectly.
- Understanding
the role of eIF3f in different cell types: Researchers are still
learning about the role of eIF3f in different cell types in the nervous
system. This knowledge could be used to develop targeted therapies that
activate eIF3f in the specific cell types where it is needed most.
Background
An identical homozygous missense variant in EIF3F,
identified through a large-scale genome-wide sequencing approach, was reported
as causative in nine individuals with a neurodevelopmental disorder,
characterized by variable intellectual disability, epilepsy, behavioral
problems and sensorineural hearing-loss. To refine the phenotypic and molecular
spectrum of EIF3F-related neurodevelopmental disorder, we examined
independent patients.
Results
21 patients were homozygous and one compound
heterozygous for c.694T>G/p.(Phe232Val) in EIF3F. Haplotype
analyses in 15 families suggested that c.694T>G/p.(Phe232Val) was a founder
variant. All affected individuals had developmental delays including delayed
speech development. About half of the affected individuals had behavioral
problems, altered muscular tone, hearing loss, and short stature. Moreover, this study suggests that
microcephaly, reduced sensitivity to pain, cleft lip/palate, gastrointestinal symptoms
and ophthalmological symptoms are part of the phenotypic spectrum. Minor
dysmorphic features were observed, although neither the individuals’ facial nor
general appearance were obviously distinctive. Symptoms in the compound
heterozygous individual with an additional truncating variant were at the
severe end of the spectrum in regard to motor milestones, speech delay, organic
problems and pre- and postnatal growth of body and head, suggesting some
genotype–phenotype correlation.
Conclusions
Our study refines the phenotypic and expands the
molecular spectrum of EIF3F-related syndromic neurodevelopmental
disorder.
The cancer research
Cancer research is much more advanced
and better funded than autism research.
As you can see in the table below,
decreased expression of eIF3f is
feature of several common cancers. If you can upregulate eIF3f you might have a
viable cancer therapy.
As in
many types of autism, the potential exists to repurpose cancer drugs as and
when they get developed and approved. HDAC inhibition is perhaps the best
example. So far people are too scared to try the new potent HDAC inhibitors in
human single-gene (monogenic) autism.
https://theses.hal.science/tel-01679873/document
Alternatively, an indirect regulation of the activity of eIF3 is performed by association of its subunits with other proteins involved in the regulation of protein synthesis. For example, the subunit eIF3e binds p56 in interferon-treated or virus-infected mammalian cells, and inhibits the translation in vitro and in vivo [43, 44]. The subunit eIF3g interacts with Paip1, a Poly (A)-binding protein and stimulates translation initiation [45] whereas the subunits eIF3h and eIF3f interact with TRC8, a ubiquitin E3 ligase, and inhibit protein synthesis, possibly through ubiquitilation of eIF3 or some other translational components [46]. These mechanisms and interacting partners render eIF3 a pivotal player in controlling the protein synthesis and degradation.
All
these data confirm that eIF3f has a multileveled control of multiple functions
in the cells, outside its usual function in translation. Keeping it in mind,
targeting eIF3f may be a strategy to reorganize different intracellular
pathways and alter the basis of the balance between cell proliferation and
apoptosis. Thus, eIF3f
represents a lead candidate to use for biotherapeutic applications both for
inhibiting the growth of cancer cells or muscle atrophy and thus
preventing its progression into irreversible cachexia.
Conclusion
Personally, I would treat EIF3F-NDR
with two parallel approaches:
· As idiopathic autism with hypo-active pro-growth sigaling autism (small heads/microcephaly)
· Gene specific with clever ideas targeting the effects of eIF3f under-expression.
Is the cognitive impairment responding
to bumetanide? In the models of Rett
syndrome and Fragile-X this is the case. For EIF3F-NDR you could just make your
own trial.
For sure there will be oxidative
stress in EIF3F-NDR due to the malfunctioning in the protein synthesis
“machinery”. NAC is the antioxidant of
choice and is OTC.
EIF3F-NDR can be associated with GI
dysfunction, as is much of broader autism.
When treated this often leads to improvements in behavior.
Increasing IGF-1 looks achievable.
Nerve growth factor (NGF) may be
upregulated by Lion’s Mane mushrooms, according to the research.
BDNF (brain derived neurotropic
factor) can be up regulated. Certain foods and nutrients have been shown to
increase BDNF levels. For example, one study found that lutein supplementation
increased BDNF levels in the blood. Other foods and nutrients that have been
shown to increase BDNF levels include omega-3 fatty acids, magnesium, and zinc. Some drugs increase BDNF such as lithium,
SSRIs, modafinil. Statins such as Simvastatin and Atorvastatin are known to
increase BDNF.
Peter you are an indispensable help to asd families. I continue to be grateful that in spite of your son’s success, you press on with sharing your take on the literature and helping families with your analysis of it..
ReplyDelete~Tanya
Peter, is Valentina still reading your blog? From the comments, she seems to be the only one who seems to have some experience with using Valproic acid. Valentina, if you are reading this, I’m looking forward to your response
ReplyDeleteJust a word of caution for readers who are new to hacking molecular pathways to raise a specific protein (the typical case for nonsense mutations in rare genetic disorders).
ReplyDeleteEven though some substances actually raise the expression of your protein of choice, it doesn't always mean this is a good therapy option.
A good example is when the protein is part of the body's response to oxidative stress. Anything that raises oxidative stress will then raise the body's need for and production of that protein. But for a person who can't produce enough of that protein from the beginning, the deficit will be even more pronounced under the load of oxidative stress. For this specific example, you might want to look for substances that lessen the need for (and also production of) your protein, which would be antioxidants.
Always crossreference substances (drugs or supplements) to see what effects they have, especially in related disorders and other affected body systems.
/Ling
Thank you for this Ling. We are doing whole exome sequence testing next week. My son was just diagnosed with the complication of excited catatonia. The hits just keeping coming for him unfortunately. Another rare complication not well known. Great. Perfect.
Delete~Tanya
Oh Tanya, I'm really sorry you have to endure this.
DeleteI hope you finally get an answer from the WES, to better understand what you are dealing with.
Lots of strength to you!
/Ling
Thanks Ling - I’m a bit worried about what the future holds - hoping treatment works
DeleteI have wanted to try Blackcurrant for awhile but I cannot afford CGPMax unless I was doing a one time trial.
ReplyDeleteIt is pretty expensive, but the drug version is likely to be 100x the price.
DeleteHi Peter, I’m meeting with Dr. Frye on Monday. Do you have any specific questions? I would be willing to ask him since you have helped me so much. Thank you
ReplyDelete-Stephen
Stephen, good luck with Dr Frye on Monday.
DeleteI did meet him a while back and I don't have any specific questions for him at the moment.
Stephen, I know it was targeted for Peter. But if it's okay for you can you please ask this to him? With such chronic high doses of Leucovorin, are we not risking hyper methylation which can turn off good genes? Another would be, what worked best for his own son's recovery? TIA
DeleteSorry about that second question. I just realized it was Dr. Rossignols child who has Autism and not Dr. Frye's!
DeleteNo worries Janu, I think that's a definitely worthwhile question to ask. I'll let you know what he says since I have two kids that take Leucovorin.
DeleteThanks Stephen!
DeleteHey Janu, Dr Frye appointment is over and done. He didn't seem to worried about turning off of good genes. We talked extensively about Leucovorin. I guess there are good quality brand and bad brands in the states. Once I get the brand list I'll send it. Levoleucovorin is not FDA approved so it's not available too buy except in Switzerland. Lastly, nothing secret or cutting edge in ASD best to keep reading Peter's blog.
Delete-Stephen
Thank you Stephen!
DeleteGood morning Peter
ReplyDeleteHope you are well.Please what can one use for OCD as we have a really bad case here.My son won't allow you touch him and will push your hands away.if you are teaching him something on the iPad,he won't allow you touch the iPad,chairs in the house have to be placed in a certain way he keeps adjusting it, always adjusting drawers, doors have to be closed in a particular manner by him.He won't allow you hold him to cross the road and has no awareness of danger, wont listen to instructions at the pool.
Its just draining and I don't know what to do again.He was to walk on specific lines outside and some sort of rituals when we are outside, he has to collect petals and squeeze and getting him indoors is another thing once he sees the flowers and then we have just had this sudden coughing tic that he does all day.What do you think this is and what can we do about it.
I have contacted the paediatrician but there are no appointments till December ending but I doubt if he will do anything other than to explain it away as autism and increase his dose of ADHD medication.Hes on guafacine 2mg daily.
Please do you have any advice
Apinke
Apinke, unless I am mixing you up with another reader, I seem to recall that you once trialled bumetanide and it seemed to work but the school complained about the need for extra toilet breaks.
DeleteIf your son did respond to Bumetanide, I would go back to using it again.
Many young children with autism have stimming/OCD that responds to NAC. Even if you tried it before, try it again and see if it helps with the problem behaviors that you are now experiencing. I would try 1200 mg NAC before school and then 600 mg around lunch and 600mg around 4 or 5m.
My son used to compulsively pick the wild flowers growing at the side of the pavement. NAC stopped that from the first day.
Hi Peter Thank you so much.yes he responded.What dose would you recommend for me to try him on?Hes weighing about 34kg now.
DeleteThank you I will start the NAC right away and source for bumetanide as the one I have is out of date..
Apinke, I suggest 1mg of bumetanide once a day.
DeleteIf school makes a problem, you could try giving it after school. It has to taken every day.
As he is a responder, he will then be able to learn more at school and become more aware of dangers. Life will get better.
Apinke, I saw your pain, the child's pain, please try it, if the child is not allergic to plants, nikworm syrup india in a single socket once a day, morning and evening, I don't know how old the child is, for an adult it is 30 ml dim and 30 in the evening, it will immediately calm his OCD and ritual behavior, if it went well, repeat it after 10 days, and then you can administer samento with the pinnela from nutramedix, start slowly, bifdidus probiotics so he doesn't miss it, a small dose of clonazepam, you'll see because it's another child, try it and you'll prove me right.
DeleteThank you Peter and Dragos
DeleteIn end of august and whole september i was sneezing but NAC worked (I didn't take NAC before). Does this mean my allergy doesn't affect my medication?
ReplyDeleteThis means that NAC resolved a symptom of your allergy, which is a known effect of NAC. NAC has very many well documented beneficial effects.
DeleteBut you said that medications including NAC don't work in allergy time. That's what i meant. Thank you
DeleteStefan, every case is slightly different. In my son pollen allergy negates the cognitive benefit of bumetanide and triggers aggressive behaviors.
DeleteNAC continues to have its effect in the background but when you have aggression nobody is really interested in whether there is stimming or not.
Many people with autism are never aggressive. In those people allergy might just cause a cognitive impairment as intracellular chloride rose and wiped out the benefit of bumetanide.
Some people do not notice small changes in cognition in their child but they certainly will notice a punch to their face.
NAC is a really good supplement to take if you have autism any chronic condition like diabetes or you are over 50 years old
Hi Peter ,
ReplyDeleteI just found your blog last night and really want to read all sharing and comment. It is really great and useful.
I have an interesting observation on my son, and would like to have your views.
Firstly I am a father of an autistic boy of 7 years old. He was diagnosed as mild autism when he was 18 months. And Dr also diagnosed him as ADHD as well when he qas 6. He takes Atomoxetine every day for the ADHD.
I was really tired of handling his behavior and emotions issues. When my family go for a walk or dine out, my wife and I are nervous for any his behaviour which may impact other people due to his impulse.
Around a month agao, he started having FMT treatment. He takes 2 FMT capsules and 2 teaspoon of Inulin everyday. And he also takes 20ml lactulose to ease up his constipation. He also stops eating eggs and cheddar cheese due to allergies stated in his Igg report.
After around 3 weeks, I observed improvement on eye contact, impusive behavior and also emotions. More and active eye contacts, almost no impulsive behaviour. Emotions become stable. His ADHD symptoms look gone.
From my understanding, FMT and Inulin makes more good bateria in his gut, and the bacteria produce butyric acid which ease up his inflammations. So his symptoms are improved
Now he is still shy and reluncant to do anything which may make him being a focus of people. E.g. sing a song in the class, and even say "please" in the request.
And he is still stubborn. In addition to these two, he just behaves like a typical child.
I just wonder if he should take butyric acid supplement to observe any further improvement.
And any supplement he can try to improve his stubbornness and shy? /Eddy
Ciao Eddy dove prendi le capsule di fmt?
DeleteEddy, trying sodium butyrate would be worthwhile, it has many good effects.
DeleteThere is also a Japanese probiotic used for many decades in both children and livestock called MIYAIRI 588. This contains Clostridium butyricum, which specifically produces butyric acid in the gut.
If you like probiotics there is also L. plantarum 299v which is good for many types of GI inflammation.
There is the "psychobiotic" Lactobacillus plantarum PS128, which was shown in the study below to provide some benefit in autism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6521002/#:~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20PS128,28%2Dday%20consumption%20of%20PS128.
You might want to consult a dietician who treats kids with mild autism or ADHD. They report good results with simple dietary modification.
You may then find you no longer need Atomoxetine/Strattera.
Just note that MIYARI 588 can make stool harder, which you don't want if your son already has constipation. I vaguely recall that combining it with Bifidobacterium Longum BB536 capsules helped with that.
DeleteSounds like you should continue the gut route. Check for more alleries/intolerances and add products that have additional effect.
Good luck!
/Ling
Hi Peter, my son tried the PS128 before, but I didn't observe any improvement. I stopped it around 4 months before.
ReplyDeleteI just ordered butyric acid calcium/magnesium. Will try it next week. Let's see if any miracle will happen. Thanks your suggestion.
Hi Diego,
ReplyDeleteI DIY the FMT capaules. I take my younger son's fecal and inject it into capsules. Then I put them in the freezer. I learnt the way from youtube.
Hi Peter,
ReplyDeleteMy son has had severe toilet regression.He was fully potty trained from 4 to 10 years.He is 12 years
Two year ago,he started having pee accidents.Initially we thought it was behavior issues.Tried lots of behavior but nothing seems to work.He cannot hold his pee even for 30 min.Doctors prescribed him oxybutynin and Luvox.
Dr this it might be related to OCD.It worked for a while but never returned to baseline and then stopped working.
Not sure what to do now.Please suggest.
Regards
SB
SB, urinary incontinence is common in autism and indeed in ADHD. It has many completely different causes.
DeleteYour doctor will have considered the common causes like urinary tract infections and in kids with autism it can also be a behavioral consequence of something else, like a change of school or teacher.
OCD or anxiety could be the problem and that is why you have Luvox.
It can even be a symptom of PANS-PANDAS, but there would be other symptoms like a reduction in cognition or a long list of other symptoms.
Oxybutin is to treat an overactive bladder.
The question is whether the problem is in the bladder or the brain.
Urinary incontinence could also be a side effect of some drug or supplement he is taking. This is worth considering and just think back to see what you may have changed 2 years ago.
You could try mild anti-inflammatory therapies like a few days on ibuprofen - assuming a PANS-like issue. If it was OCD-related, you could try NAC 4 times a day.