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Thursday, 2 January 2025

No Wegovy/Mounjaro moment likely for autism – Lithium etc

 



Semaglutide, marketed under brand names like Wegovy, Mounjaro and Ozempic, is a GLP-1 receptor agonist originally approved for treating type 2 diabetes and more recently for obesity. The global semaglutide market is $27 billion in 2024. The broader market for GLP-1 receptor agonists, which includes semaglutide, is expected to experience significant growth. Analysts project that this market could reach between $150 billion and $200 billion by the early 2030s.

Semaglutide is a dream for pharmaceutical companies. The overweight can forget about diets and exercise; they just need a weekly self-administered dose and wait to lose 20% of their bodyweight in the first year. If they stop taking the drug all the weight will just come straight back, so the patient needs to take the drug for life.

Semaglutide is expensive, but nothing like the price hoped for by those developing elusive autism drugs.

Some obese people save so much money on food it covers the cost of their semaglutide.

Obesity is so damaging that semaglutide should have a transformative impact on healthcare.

On the other hand, the idea that society might increasingly rely on pharmaceutical solutions instead of encouraging lifestyle changes feels rather Orwellian, with a shift away from personal responsibility, fostering dependency on external control. In a society where health problems like obesity are "fixed" by a drug, self-regulation through lifestyle choices will be de-emphasized, giving the impression that human behavior is best managed through a weekly shot.

In the novel Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, published in 1932, people in a highly controlled society all take a drug called soma to feel good, maintain emotional stability, and suppress negative feelings.

 

No Wegovy/Mounjaro moment likely for autism

For people who get their information from social media it appears that such an effortless Wegovy/Mounjaro moment exists for autism. You just send a reply to Facebook post and get a message back telling you where to buy the miracle cure to autism.

Looking at the world of pharmaceuticals many parents hoped that Suramin would be the cure to autism.

Recently I saw yet another rather misleading headline:

Lithium restores brain function and behavior in Autism

Really, what it should say is:

Lithium may restore brain function and behavior in Autism caused by Dyrk1a mutation if given while a baby.

 

Here is the article.

Lithium Restores Brain Function and Behavior in Autism

Lithium, a drug widely used for bipolar disorder, may also treat autism spectrum disorder (ASD), according to new research. The study found that lithium restored brain function and reduced behavioral symptoms in mice with Dyrk1a gene mutations, a known ASD risk factor.

Administered during the juvenile period, lithium normalized brain size, improved neural connectivity, and eased anxiety and social deficits, with benefits persisting into adulthood.

This breakthrough highlights lithium’s potential to address core ASD mechanisms through its action on Kalirin-7, a molecule critical for synaptic function. The findings underscore the importance of early intervention and targeted treatments for ASD.

The team discovered that lithium’s therapeutic effects are partly mediated through its action on Kalirin-7, a molecule essential for synaptic structure and function.

By targeting this molecule, lithium helped to restore balance in the brain’s signaling networks, addressing one of the core mechanisms of ASD.

“This is an exciting breakthrough,” said Dr. Roh Junyeop, a senior researcher and co-first author of the study.

“Dyrk1a mutations disrupt neural connectivity, much like a traffic jam or roadblocks in a city. Lithium helps to clear the congestion, restoring smooth communication between neurons.”

Director Kim Eunjoon emphasized the potential impact of these findings, stating, “Our research shows that lithium, a widely used drug for bipolar disorder, could also serve as a treatment for ASD. The fact that its effects persist long after treatment ends underscores the importance of early intervention during critical developmental windows.”

This study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry on December 5, not only paves the way for new therapeutic approaches for ASD but also underscores the critical importance of early diagnosis and intervention.

It offers hope to families and individuals affected by ASD, suggesting that targeted treatments may one day reduce the burden of this complex disorder.

 

Too little Dyrk1a leads to small brains, autism and low IQ. In Down syndrome there is too much Dyrk1a expression and this is a contributing factor to low IQ. You need just the right amount of Dyrk1a for optimal brain development and then a higher IQ. Too much Dyrk1a also leads to Alzheimer’s which is why there can be early onset in those with Down syndrome.

Don’t give lithium to someone with Down syndrome.

 

GSK-3β and Dyrk1a

In previous posts we did look at something called GSK-3β, which plays a role in autism.

GSK-3β  and DYRK1A  are two enzymes that play significant roles in regulating cell signaling, neurodevelopment, and brain function. They also interact with each other. Both play a role in the Wnt signaling pathway, which is disturbed in much autism and some cancer.

 

Lithium in Autism

Lithium carbonate is a prescription drug used to treat bipolar.

Lithium orotate is an OTC product that some people do use to treat autism. The dosages are usually very low compared to what is used in bipolar.

It is not uncommon to be diagnosed with bipolar and autism.

 

Is Lithium a game changer for Autism?

While some people may well benefit, the usage to date shows that lithium is not a game changer for most autism.

 

Mebendazole for some Autism and indeed Down syndrome

I did propose years ago that Mebendazole/Vermox, the cheap drug used to treat pinworms in children, might have potential to treat some autism. Mebendazole is a Wnt inhibitor (the opposite of Lithium). I did receive a message recently that Mebendazole was beneficial in one reader’s son. Not much Mebendazole is absorbed into the bloodstream but you can maximize it by taking it with a fatty meal. It does cross the blood brain barrier.

Mebendazole has been shown to inhibit DYRK1A in laboratory settings, which could potentially address the effects of DYRK1A overexpression seen in conditions like Down syndrome. Since Down syndrome is diagnosed very early, treatment could start very early, which is critical to optimize the developing brain.

 

Mebendazole - Wnt Inhibition and other effects

Mebendazole is known to inhibit components of the Wnt signaling pathway. Inhibition of Wnt could potentially normalize overactive or dysregulated pathways, leading to more balanced dendritic spine dynamics in individuals with autism. In autism, there is often an imbalance in dendritic spine formation and pruning, leading to either excessive or insufficient connectivity. Modulating Wnt signaling could potentially restore this balance, improving synaptic function and related behaviors.

Mebendazole has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties. Since neuroinflammation is often elevated in autism, this could indirectly improve symptoms.

Mebendazole also stabilizes microtubules, which are critical for intracellular transport and synaptic function. This might indirectly benefit neuronal communication in autism.

  

Conclusion

Autism is far more complicated and heterogeneous than obesity so sadly there can never be a simple Wegovy/Mounjaro moment.  Best not to listen to Autism Moms telling you otherwise on Facebook.

On the plus side there are numerous partially effective therapies, sitting on the shelf in the pharmacy that do benefit specific types of autism. You just have to find what works in your very specific case.

I was recently asked a German mother if I have a spreadsheet listing all the possible therapies, what the benefits are, and in what order to try them. It is a very rational request, but there is so much variation that this would not be a simple task.




 

 

13 comments:

  1. Thanks much for your efforts. Please do consider the request from that German mom to come up with a listing all the possible therapies and its most possible with conditions. If not 100%, please do it in a phase wise manner, as per your time. Thanks again

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  2. I am seeking your insight regarding therapeutic approaches for individuals with Asperger's syndrome who exhibit motor clumsiness, head tremors, and challenges in socialization. Specifically, I am interested in understanding strategies that could help achieve neurotypical traits, such as quick-wittedness, the ability to engage in small talk, and the use of humor in social interactions.

    Additionally, I would like to inquire about potential interventions to address motor clumsiness and head tremors. Could you please share your thoughts on the effectiveness of therapies such as leucovorin, microdoses of psilocybin, ketoforce BHB, roflumilast, neurofeedback, and rTMS in these contexts?

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    1. Mockingbird, I am often surprised by what therapies help in specific Aspies. Some people do benefit from therapies that work in those with severe autism. There is a lot of trial and error required.

      Psilocybin is used by some Aspies and is a logical choice. Leucovorin is worth a try.. BHB does improve mood in some.

      I would start with simple less expensive therapies. Also look on Reddit for experiences of other Aspies

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  3. We saw improvement in speech with 3 doses (1 per day) of 10mg mebendazole. Can i use it daily, what may be side effects. Just to mention, we used this couple of times in the past. But after few days of last usage where i saw speech we saw sleepless nights and a seizure.

    Thanks
    Sudhakar

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    1. Sudhakar, a rare side effect listed for mebendazole is convulsions. It looks like your child experienced this effect, so you should not use this drug.

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  4. With mebendazole can i make skin cream to avoid GI route and still enter blood stream.
    Thanks
    Sudhakar

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    1. Mebendazole is poorly absorbed into the bloodstream when taken orally and it looks like this drug would not be absorbed well through the skin.

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  5. This subject is indeed intriguing. Yesterday, I read a quote from the CEO of STALICLA: “There is no ‘autism’ but ‘autisms’. STALICLA believes that recognizing this diversity will revolutionize its treatment.”

    I have a non-verbal 9-year-old son. I am a doctor. I performed an exome sequencing on him and found a mutation in the KMT5B gene. I have tried various off-label therapies for my son (many of which are in the polypill) without success. I spent a lot of time this past year reviewing information about KMT5B. Some articles (in fact, only one discusses this) show a regulation leading to decreased glutamate and mTOR pathway activity. This is exactly the opposite of what occurs in many other autism models.

    Today, I firmly believe that under a relatively similar phenotype, there exists a wide range of very diverse genotypes in autism. And that treatment should be ultra-personalized to achieve the best possible outcome.

    I have searched for centers capable of implementing this approach. I have emailed researchers from around the world. But I still have not been able to find a solution that is so personalized. What I found were intermediate solutions that did not work.

    I apologize for the long text. But there really is no miraculous cure. It is far less something that solves the problem universally.

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    1. Marco, all autisms seem to be unique, even the single gene ones. There is very varied response in children with the same mutated gene. One issue undoubtedly is when the treatment is started, there may be a treatment window when the therapy can correct a particular development phase in the brain.

      Your gene causes aberrant histone methylation and alters the expression of multiple genes during brain development. It can cause either too much or too little methylation. So you would need to figure out which is your case.

      In some cases of disturbed gene expression HDAC inhibition is a suggested therapy.

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  6. Hi Peter. What is your opinion on the ov350 drug being developed by Ovid Therapeutics which is supposed to activate kcc2 ? It is being developed for treatment resistant epilepsy, but I think it should help autism kids (at least those who respond to bumetanide) immensely, since activating kcc2 should have a similar effect to inactivating nkcc. I feel this would be as close to a silver bullet as it gets for the autism community.

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    1. Ovid took over 100 experimental drugs from Astra Zeneca that might activate KCC2 in humans. Hopefully they will be successful and commercialise at least one.

      The next question will be how much it will cost. Bumetanide does work and is super cheap.

      What is interesting is that Ovid are targeting epilepsy with a chloride lowering drug. I think bumetanide may prevent the onset of epilepsy but the trials in seizures were not positive.

      ov350 might even work better in this autism subgroup than in epilepsy. It would also be interesting for neuropathic pain.

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  7. Dear Peter, thank you for everything you do for the community. we are all indebted. I trailed bumetanide for my son , after 4 weeks, his mineral and potassium depletion was severe despite feeding him with foods and supplements high in potassium. We may have seen small positives in the first 4-5 days but things got worse. School reported excessive thirst and a general offness about him. He also started limping etc and so i got concerned and stopped. Things normalized very quickly after stopping. Even though things did not work with our trial , i do 100% believe he has potassium and chloride channel dysfunction. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on all kinds of biomedical interventions and while they helped and he is moderately functioning, he still has severe auditory processing issues that has impacted his speech and language development along with cognition. I am reading how potassium dysfunction can impact auditory processing and i want to resolve this if i can. At this point, i am wondering if i should Diamox as it seems to be a weaker diuretic and seems to help with Hypokalemia type issues. Also R Baclofen. Any suggestions for me please ?

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    1. Diamox does work for some people. You can only buy the regular Baclofen and not R-baclofen, but it also works for some people and is easy to trial. Leucovorin does improve language in many people and can improve cognition in some of those.

      For some people a simple potassium supplement improves sound sensitivity.

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