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Thursday, 2 January 2025

No Wegovy/Mounjaro moment likely for autism – Lithium etc

 



Semaglutide, marketed under brand names like Wegovy, Mounjaro and Ozempic, is a GLP-1 receptor agonist originally approved for treating type 2 diabetes and more recently for obesity. The global semaglutide market is $27 billion in 2024. The broader market for GLP-1 receptor agonists, which includes semaglutide, is expected to experience significant growth. Analysts project that this market could reach between $150 billion and $200 billion by the early 2030s.

Semaglutide is a dream for pharmaceutical companies. The overweight can forget about diets and exercise; they just need a weekly self-administered dose and wait to lose 20% of their bodyweight in the first year. If they stop taking the drug all the weight will just come straight back, so the patient needs to take the drug for life.

Semaglutide is expensive, but nothing like the price hoped for by those developing elusive autism drugs.

Some obese people save so much money on food it covers the cost of their semaglutide.

Obesity is so damaging that semaglutide should have a transformative impact on healthcare.

On the other hand, the idea that society might increasingly rely on pharmaceutical solutions instead of encouraging lifestyle changes feels rather Orwellian, with a shift away from personal responsibility, fostering dependency on external control. In a society where health problems like obesity are "fixed" by a drug, self-regulation through lifestyle choices will be de-emphasized, giving the impression that human behavior is best managed through a weekly shot.

In the novel Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, published in 1932, people in a highly controlled society all take a drug called soma to feel good, maintain emotional stability, and suppress negative feelings.

 

No Wegovy/Mounjaro moment likely for autism

For people who get their information from social media it appears that such an effortless Wegovy/Mounjaro moment exists for autism. You just send a reply to Facebook post and get a message back telling you where to buy the miracle cure to autism.

Looking at the world of pharmaceuticals many parents hoped that Suramin would be the cure to autism.

Recently I saw yet another rather misleading headline:

Lithium restores brain function and behavior in Autism

Really, what it should say is:

Lithium may restore brain function and behavior in Autism caused by Dyrk1a mutation if given while a baby.

 

Here is the article.

Lithium Restores Brain Function and Behavior in Autism

Lithium, a drug widely used for bipolar disorder, may also treat autism spectrum disorder (ASD), according to new research. The study found that lithium restored brain function and reduced behavioral symptoms in mice with Dyrk1a gene mutations, a known ASD risk factor.

Administered during the juvenile period, lithium normalized brain size, improved neural connectivity, and eased anxiety and social deficits, with benefits persisting into adulthood.

This breakthrough highlights lithium’s potential to address core ASD mechanisms through its action on Kalirin-7, a molecule critical for synaptic function. The findings underscore the importance of early intervention and targeted treatments for ASD.

The team discovered that lithium’s therapeutic effects are partly mediated through its action on Kalirin-7, a molecule essential for synaptic structure and function.

By targeting this molecule, lithium helped to restore balance in the brain’s signaling networks, addressing one of the core mechanisms of ASD.

“This is an exciting breakthrough,” said Dr. Roh Junyeop, a senior researcher and co-first author of the study.

“Dyrk1a mutations disrupt neural connectivity, much like a traffic jam or roadblocks in a city. Lithium helps to clear the congestion, restoring smooth communication between neurons.”

Director Kim Eunjoon emphasized the potential impact of these findings, stating, “Our research shows that lithium, a widely used drug for bipolar disorder, could also serve as a treatment for ASD. The fact that its effects persist long after treatment ends underscores the importance of early intervention during critical developmental windows.”

This study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry on December 5, not only paves the way for new therapeutic approaches for ASD but also underscores the critical importance of early diagnosis and intervention.

It offers hope to families and individuals affected by ASD, suggesting that targeted treatments may one day reduce the burden of this complex disorder.

 

Too little Dyrk1a leads to small brains, autism and low IQ. In Down syndrome there is too much Dyrk1a expression and this is a contributing factor to low IQ. You need just the right amount of Dyrk1a for optimal brain development and then a higher IQ. Too much Dyrk1a also leads to Alzheimer’s which is why there can be early onset in those with Down syndrome.

Don’t give lithium to someone with Down syndrome.

 

GSK-3β and Dyrk1a

In previous posts we did look at something called GSK-3β, which plays a role in autism.

GSK-3β  and DYRK1A  are two enzymes that play significant roles in regulating cell signaling, neurodevelopment, and brain function. They also interact with each other. Both play a role in the Wnt signaling pathway, which is disturbed in much autism and some cancer.

 

Lithium in Autism

Lithium carbonate is a prescription drug used to treat bipolar.

Lithium orotate is an OTC product that some people do use to treat autism. The dosages are usually very low compared to what is used in bipolar.

It is not uncommon to be diagnosed with bipolar and autism.

 

Is Lithium a game changer for Autism?

While some people may well benefit, the usage to date shows that lithium is not a game changer for most autism.

 

Mebendazole for some Autism and indeed Down syndrome

I did propose years ago that Mebendazole/Vermox, the cheap drug used to treat pinworms in children, might have potential to treat some autism. Mebendazole is a Wnt inhibitor (the opposite of Lithium). I did receive a message recently that Mebendazole was beneficial in one reader’s son. Not much Mebendazole is absorbed into the bloodstream but you can maximize it by taking it with a fatty meal. It does cross the blood brain barrier.

Mebendazole has been shown to inhibit DYRK1A in laboratory settings, which could potentially address the effects of DYRK1A overexpression seen in conditions like Down syndrome. Since Down syndrome is diagnosed very early, treatment could start very early, which is critical to optimize the developing brain.

 

Mebendazole - Wnt Inhibition and other effects

Mebendazole is known to inhibit components of the Wnt signaling pathway. Inhibition of Wnt could potentially normalize overactive or dysregulated pathways, leading to more balanced dendritic spine dynamics in individuals with autism. In autism, there is often an imbalance in dendritic spine formation and pruning, leading to either excessive or insufficient connectivity. Modulating Wnt signaling could potentially restore this balance, improving synaptic function and related behaviors.

Mebendazole has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties. Since neuroinflammation is often elevated in autism, this could indirectly improve symptoms.

Mebendazole also stabilizes microtubules, which are critical for intracellular transport and synaptic function. This might indirectly benefit neuronal communication in autism.

  

Conclusion

Autism is far more complicated and heterogeneous than obesity so sadly there can never be a simple Wegovy/Mounjaro moment.  Best not to listen to Autism Moms telling you otherwise on Facebook.

On the plus side there are numerous partially effective therapies, sitting on the shelf in the pharmacy that do benefit specific types of autism. You just have to find what works in your very specific case.

I was recently asked a German mother if I have a spreadsheet listing all the possible therapies, what the benefits are, and in what order to try them. It is a very rational request, but there is so much variation that this would not be a simple task.




 

 

50 comments:

  1. Thanks much for your efforts. Please do consider the request from that German mom to come up with a listing all the possible therapies and its most possible with conditions. If not 100%, please do it in a phase wise manner, as per your time. Thanks again

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  2. I am seeking your insight regarding therapeutic approaches for individuals with Asperger's syndrome who exhibit motor clumsiness, head tremors, and challenges in socialization. Specifically, I am interested in understanding strategies that could help achieve neurotypical traits, such as quick-wittedness, the ability to engage in small talk, and the use of humor in social interactions.

    Additionally, I would like to inquire about potential interventions to address motor clumsiness and head tremors. Could you please share your thoughts on the effectiveness of therapies such as leucovorin, microdoses of psilocybin, ketoforce BHB, roflumilast, neurofeedback, and rTMS in these contexts?

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    1. Mockingbird, I am often surprised by what therapies help in specific Aspies. Some people do benefit from therapies that work in those with severe autism. There is a lot of trial and error required.

      Psilocybin is used by some Aspies and is a logical choice. Leucovorin is worth a try.. BHB does improve mood in some.

      I would start with simple less expensive therapies. Also look on Reddit for experiences of other Aspies

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    2. Mockingbird, I just saw some case reports from Aspies who had really great results from Memantine. This is still widely used in autism even though it failed it's large clinical trial. Some Aspies clearly respond well.

      I was also told by a pediatrician that her Aspies did well on Baclofen.

      There is no single therapy for all, but many reports do indicate success is possible for Aspies.

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    3. Hey Peter, thank you for your response and for sharing those insights.

      While I’ve tried both Baclofen and Memantine without much success, I remain open to exploring other therapeutic options. My biggest challenges include difficulty sustaining conversations as I often run out of things to say, creative thinkimg and motor clumsiness such as essential tremors and uncoordinated gait. Additionally, I struggle with being perceived as unintelligent due to a lack of quick-wittedness and agility with words, which significantly impacts my confidence in social interactions. I also experience pronounced lethargy and fatigue when engaging socially, which further exacerbates these issues.

      If there are any therapies or approaches that you believe could address these specific concerns, I would greatly appreciate your guidance.

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    4. I've been struggling with motor clumsiness all my life, which often causes people to stare or even make fun of the way I move, walk or even standing still. On top of that, I have a persistent head tremor in a 'no-no' pattern. I remember reading some posts here suggesting clemastine might help improve motor skills and afobazole also? I could have damaged purkinje cells since they are tied with motor skills?
      Would it be worth exploring clemastine as a potential option for me? I’d really appreciate your thoughts on this.
      As I live in uk I could get clemestine without prescription

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    5. Poor gross or fine motor skills are a feature of autism, they can be improved by therapy/practise. Normally it would correlate with severity of autism. Purkinje cell loss would be a good explanation and may also account for the tremors.

      On the other hand, very many other issues can cause tremors.

      Deficiencies in B12, magnesium, or vitamin D can impact muscle coordination and cause tremor-like movements.

      Side effects from some drugs can cause tremors (e.g., antipsychotics, stimulants, or anticonvulsants)

      Hyperthyroidism or electrolyte imbalances may cause tremors.

      More generally trialing simple, accessible interventions like clemastine, or indeed BHB is a smart move. Many Aspies do find what works for them, it just takes time and perseverance.

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    6. Thank you for your response. I’ve done blood work for thyroid, electrolytes, B12, folate, and vitamin D3, and all came back within the normal range. The only medications and supplements I’m currently on are propranolol (for essential tremors), benfotiamine, niacinamide, and sulforaphane, which I recently added for neuroprotective reasons.

      If Purkinje cell loss is contributing to my worsening motor skills (ataxia, tremors, dysmetria, and poor fine motor control), what would you suggest as the best approach? I’ve seen your posts discussing the Purkinje-RORa-Estradiol-Neuroligin-KCC2 axis and the potential of microdosing estradiol to target RORa and using bumetanide or acetazolamide to address KCC2 dysfunction. Do you think these interventions could help in my case?

      I also came across your posts about L-type calcium channel blockers (like Amlodipine for Cav1.3 and Verapamil for Cav1.2). Would a genetic test or imaging (like an MRI) be the right way to determine whether my Purkinje cell dysfunction might involve these calcium channel subtypes?

      I’ve noticed you’ve also written about Afobazole, NAC, and statins like Atorvastatin and Rosuvastatin for promoting neurite outgrowth. I tried Atorvastatin briefly for five days but didn’t notice any changes do you think a longer trial might be needed?

      Another concern is the potential for dysfunctional synaptic pruning and protein misfolding contributing to these issues. Are there ways to confirm whether microglial activation or pruning abnormalities are at play in my case? Is this something a neurologist could help with, or is there a specific test I should ask for?

      If Purkinje cell dysfunction is indeed the cause of my worsening motor skills how can I address other issues like the Purkinje-RORa-Estradiol-Neuroligin-KCC2 axis, L-type calcium channels, ER stress, and neurite growth to prevent further damage and ensure a comprehensive approach? I just want to make sure nothing critical is left unaddressed.

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    7. Mockingbird, it would be wise to consult a neurologist about your tremors.

      The issue with Purkinje cells is that they are the most vulnerable neurons in the brain due to their large size and dense dendritic spines. When things go wrong during development they are the first to die. In post mortem brain samples in autism the Purkinje cell layer can be completely absent. But in these examples they are likely to be people with severe autism and not Aspies. Once lost they are gone forever.

      Maybe a neurologist can find the cause of the tremors and this will lead to a broader solution to your other issues.

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    8. Thank you for the advice. While the tremors are concerning, my biggest issues are clumsiness, poor fine motor control, and instability when standing still, which seem linked to Purkinje cell dysfunction. Could calcium channel dysregulation or impaired GABAergic inhibition explain these symptoms? Also, I’m curious if targeting the Purkinje-RORα-Estradiol-Neuroligin-KCC2 axis could help improve motor control. Do you think this approach could complement what a neurologist might suggest?

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    9. Mockingbird, quite possibly all your symptoms are all related and the neuroligist might carry out some useful investigations, ask for a CT scan. On the other hand he might just tell you it's all down to your "autism".

      Many axes like the one you mention do not yet have practical methods of modulation. There are no KCC2 activators available. Estradiol is available, but as a male you might struggle to get it and it might have some unwanted effects .

      In theory you could block NKCC1 with bumetanide which will affect KCC2. This is easy to do, but may or may not cause an effect all the way back up the axis to Purkinje cells.


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    10. Acetazolamide can be taken instead of bumetanide for this purpose? I can get it more easily. Estrogen is the only available solution? Progesterone couldn't also increase neuroligin 2 or even testosterone wouldn't increase aromatase ? Mine was in the lower range on blood work.

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    11. Hey Peter, using a non feminizing estradiol like 17α-estradiol would still work?

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    12. Acetazolamide will have a different effect to bumetanide.
      17β-Estradiol will modulate ROR alpha. 17α-estradiol may have some effect but it is likely to be much less. The important thing is not to step out of the normal reference range since hormones have wide ranging effects. There are phyto estrogens like soy products which are safe.

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    13. Thank you for the clarification. I’m a bit anxious about trying bumetanide again because, when I previously took the lowest dose (0.5 mg), I had a bad reaction, including shortness of breath, feeling like I was suffocating, dizziness, and extreme fatigue. I even supplemented with potassium and ate bananas to counteract potential issues, but it didn’t help. I’m not allergic to sulfa drugs, so I’m unsure why I reacted this way.

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    14. If you had a negative reaction best not to try it again.

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    15. As Peter said, definately see a neurologist for any significant motor control issues, especially to rule out any other severe condition which may cause it.

      I was diagnosed as an aspie at age 6, but have outgrown many of the symptoms to the point I would probably not receive a diagnosis anymore.

      I do still have issues with reaction time and motor coordination. As far as I understand, Peter is not a big fan of psychotropic medication and I share his view. Despite this, I want to say that my motor control / reaction time / clumsiness was significantly improved by methylphenidate (have also tried dexamphetamine). I could notice it clearly when playing ball sports as a child. I used to hate all ball/team sports, no wonder why I performed so poorly at them. But, I wouldnt greatly recommend stimulants to anyone due to aspies often being quite sensitive to side effects. Tolerance also develops but this can happen very slowly to some people.

      The reversible MAO inhibitor Moclobemide and SNRI venlafaxine improve my mood, energy, socialization and executive functions significantly. A problem with them for me is overstimulation. SSRIs for me we’re a total disaster, I was completely anhedonic and constantly tired to the point I became depressed (they’re supposed to be antidepressants lol). I tried them for anxiety.

      Carnosine is pretty much the only supplement I’ve seen any improvement on. It makes me noticeably more fluent in talking to other people. It also improves my general energy levels. NAC didn’t unfortunately help me at all (I tried 2.4g of pharmaceutical effervescent tablets for a few days). I guess it’s not just the antioxidant effects then that matter, but there is something different in carnosine to other substances. I have thought of clonidine/guanfacine also (which my psychiatrist is certainly willing to prescribe) for executive functions, but I dont want to try because even Propranolol gives me annoying drowsiness.

      I hope this gives you any info, then again my asd specific symptoms are pretty much gone, and I’m mostly anhedonic and apathic with a need for some energy uplift, which antidepressants can give. I understand these are not core autistic symptoms, but if Peter has stumbled upon any promising supplements for such symptoms please let me know.

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  3. We saw improvement in speech with 3 doses (1 per day) of 10mg mebendazole. Can i use it daily, what may be side effects. Just to mention, we used this couple of times in the past. But after few days of last usage where i saw speech we saw sleepless nights and a seizure.

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    Sudhakar

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    1. Sudhakar, a rare side effect listed for mebendazole is convulsions. It looks like your child experienced this effect, so you should not use this drug.

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  4. With mebendazole can i make skin cream to avoid GI route and still enter blood stream.
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    Sudhakar

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    1. Mebendazole is poorly absorbed into the bloodstream when taken orally and it looks like this drug would not be absorbed well through the skin.

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  5. This subject is indeed intriguing. Yesterday, I read a quote from the CEO of STALICLA: “There is no ‘autism’ but ‘autisms’. STALICLA believes that recognizing this diversity will revolutionize its treatment.”

    I have a non-verbal 9-year-old son. I am a doctor. I performed an exome sequencing on him and found a mutation in the KMT5B gene. I have tried various off-label therapies for my son (many of which are in the polypill) without success. I spent a lot of time this past year reviewing information about KMT5B. Some articles (in fact, only one discusses this) show a regulation leading to decreased glutamate and mTOR pathway activity. This is exactly the opposite of what occurs in many other autism models.

    Today, I firmly believe that under a relatively similar phenotype, there exists a wide range of very diverse genotypes in autism. And that treatment should be ultra-personalized to achieve the best possible outcome.

    I have searched for centers capable of implementing this approach. I have emailed researchers from around the world. But I still have not been able to find a solution that is so personalized. What I found were intermediate solutions that did not work.

    I apologize for the long text. But there really is no miraculous cure. It is far less something that solves the problem universally.

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    1. Marco, all autisms seem to be unique, even the single gene ones. There is very varied response in children with the same mutated gene. One issue undoubtedly is when the treatment is started, there may be a treatment window when the therapy can correct a particular development phase in the brain.

      Your gene causes aberrant histone methylation and alters the expression of multiple genes during brain development. It can cause either too much or too little methylation. So you would need to figure out which is your case.

      In some cases of disturbed gene expression HDAC inhibition is a suggested therapy.

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    2. Hi Peter. Exactly. Each one is unique. There is no way to compare two patients. My big question is this: How can we do precision medicine without knowing the exact metabolic alteration? And how can we discover the specific metabolic alteration? Please tell me more about HDAC inhibitors.

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    3. Marco, my key insight from writing this blog is that while there are thousands of different genes whose miss-expression can lead to autism, there same drugs keep showing up time and time again as being beneficial. So if you limit your choice to trialing 100 drugs you would improve the outcome in a large number of cases. Add another 100 more exotic drugs and the success who go up further but less drastically.

      You do have to consider that autism is a combination of things that can be improved or fine-tuned and others that are irreversible (for example Purkinje cells are usually lost in severe autism and you cannot grow them back). So the improvement is going to range from small to dramatic. Another factor is when you intervene, it is never too late but the younger the better.

      I think that thoughtful trial and error, taking comorbidities, extended family history, genetic testing results into account is the best method. The result is a personalized therapy, buy getting there is a bit hit and miss and will take time.

      Considering autism in terms of DEGs (differentially expressed genes) is helpful. If there is a mutation in a random single gene the human body can usually adapt to it. If the gene is a transcription factor or plays a role in the machinery of gene transcription then there is a much more dramatic effect and number of DEGs shoots up.

      Your gene of interest plays a role in turning genes on and off via epigenetic processes.

      In the research into single gene autisms a common approach is to use epigenetics to turn on the non mutated copy of the gene to compensate for the loss of function of the mutated copy. The research tends to use potent HDAC inhibitors that were developed for cancer. There are less potent HDAC inhibitors like valproic acid and even sulforaphane (from broccoli). There is a chronic delay in trialing this approach in humans. I would imagine that the effect would be much greater when used at a very early age before key development stages in the brain have been completed.

      There are different classes of HDAC inhibitor and their effect would vary.

      Normally you would use an HDAC inhibitor to increase gene expression. For some people, like those with Down syndrome, their issue is over-expressed genes.

      I am surprised how often reducing oxidative stress, neuroinflammation and treating common DEGs (like calcium or sodium ion channels) can be beneficial. Even common SSRIs are very beneficial in specific cases. Some people benefit from simple ideas like increasing blood flow to the brain, an idea first trialed in the 1970s. My book has a review of all drugs trialed in autism.

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    4. In this video at the linked time, epigenetic scientist Dr.Jirtle who conducted the landmark experiment on the Agouti mouse, reveals something very astounding. He says Autism is completely opposite to Schizophrenia and that Schizophrenia happens due to malnutrition and Autism happens due to over-nutrition. In my understanding over-nutrition leads to excessive methylation and turning off of genes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8YCQ5SaZ8c&t=3346s

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  6. Hi Peter. What is your opinion on the ov350 drug being developed by Ovid Therapeutics which is supposed to activate kcc2 ? It is being developed for treatment resistant epilepsy, but I think it should help autism kids (at least those who respond to bumetanide) immensely, since activating kcc2 should have a similar effect to inactivating nkcc. I feel this would be as close to a silver bullet as it gets for the autism community.

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    1. Ovid took over 100 experimental drugs from Astra Zeneca that might activate KCC2 in humans. Hopefully they will be successful and commercialise at least one.

      The next question will be how much it will cost. Bumetanide does work and is super cheap.

      What is interesting is that Ovid are targeting epilepsy with a chloride lowering drug. I think bumetanide may prevent the onset of epilepsy but the trials in seizures were not positive.

      ov350 might even work better in this autism subgroup than in epilepsy. It would also be interesting for neuropathic pain.

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  7. Dear Peter, thank you for everything you do for the community. we are all indebted. I trailed bumetanide for my son , after 4 weeks, his mineral and potassium depletion was severe despite feeding him with foods and supplements high in potassium. We may have seen small positives in the first 4-5 days but things got worse. School reported excessive thirst and a general offness about him. He also started limping etc and so i got concerned and stopped. Things normalized very quickly after stopping. Even though things did not work with our trial , i do 100% believe he has potassium and chloride channel dysfunction. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on all kinds of biomedical interventions and while they helped and he is moderately functioning, he still has severe auditory processing issues that has impacted his speech and language development along with cognition. I am reading how potassium dysfunction can impact auditory processing and i want to resolve this if i can. At this point, i am wondering if i should Diamox as it seems to be a weaker diuretic and seems to help with Hypokalemia type issues. Also R Baclofen. Any suggestions for me please ?

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    1. Diamox does work for some people. You can only buy the regular Baclofen and not R-baclofen, but it also works for some people and is easy to trial. Leucovorin does improve language in many people and can improve cognition in some of those.

      For some people a simple potassium supplement improves sound sensitivity.

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    2. Thank you so much for the feedback Peter ! I will try Diamox and will report back. We have done leucovorin as well for a long time and i am no longer sure about the dosing at this point. We used to be at 50mg at one point and i have tapered down as i wondered if that is causing him hyperactivity.I am repeating the FRAT test to see where we are and go from there. Thanks again and i continue to look forward to your posts.

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  8. Hi Peter, I am so thankful to have found this blog. I am very new to this and am learning from the various posts.
    My child is 5; diagnosed at 3 with autism. We are in the UK. No treatment or tests have been offered on the nhs and so I have taken it upon ourselves to supplement to alleviate some autistic conditions and challenges.
    I have been giving C the usual cocktail : omega caps epa/dha, lions mane, vit d drops, kirkman multivits for the last 2 years. However, note a player’s with gains.

    Recently I came across Leucovorin and have trialled this for about a month. 30mg split + half cap lithium orotate, magnesium and NAC.
    C presents as having speech/language and social comms challenges. She is in 3-4 word phrase, does not interact socially with her peers in school ( although very interactive and engaging and affectionate with me). Lots of speech therapy and some Aba, still gains are minimal with speech and social.
    Although has a very good memory and good with pre academics. ( letters/numbers/words)

    Not many sensory issues: able to take her to crowded noisy places.
    Currently she has a stim ( vocal tic) that I am trying to lessen as it disrupts learning. I am hoping NAC will help with this. ( she doesn’t flap, stim , tiptoe however struggles with things like brushing teeth, taking bloods).

    I am hoping to trial butamenide which led me to your blog. As C is 5 and has limited speech/ language, what would be the signs of low potassium levels. We are unable to take bloods so I am doing this ‘blind’ ; same as the trail with leucovorin.

    Would butamenide be a good start point?

    Thank you 🙏
    Steph

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    1. Steph, bumetanide is good to trial. There is a guide here:

      https://www.epiphanyasd.com/2019/06/the-safe-use-of-bumetanide-in-children.html?m=1

      Low potassium would show up as fatigue, irritation and low blood pressure among other symptoms.

      Most people lack potassium, so take look at her diet as it is now and see how much she consumes. Bananas and kiwis are examples of potassium rich foods.

      If you add an extra banana a day plus a 200mg supplement per 1mg of Bumetanide you would expect normal potassium levels. There are rare people who are exceptions.

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  9. Hello Peter, thank you. I have read in an online forum that I should not be giving C anything that has fortified calcium in it. What is the rationale behind this and how can I tell if calcium has an adverse effect? And if calcium is prohibited, then how do I supplement for strong bones/
    Teeth?

    With leucovorin, how long would you suggest trialling this for?

    Same with bumetanide; how long should I trial this? The potassium supplement I currently have is life extension potassium chloride +slow release Mg. Is this any good? (Chloride?) thank you

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    1. Some people have reported a negative effect from calcium supplements. In theory taking a moderate dose of calcium should not have a negative effect inside the brain. Calcium levels in your blood are tightly regulated and your bones are the body's calcium store. But there always are exceptions and some people respond in unusual ways.

      The best source of calcium is food rather than supplements, this is because it is gradually absorbed and ends up in the right place. Some people need supplements, but the risk is that some of the extra calcium ends up stuck in your arteries.

      For strong bones children have traditionally drunk lots of milk, or yoghurt in countries (e.g. southern europe) where they are often lactose intolerant.

      We have a fridge full of dairy products at home.

      Leucovorin, when effective, usually shows results really quickly. Some people have such a problem transporting folate from the blood stream into the brain that oral leucovorin is not sufficient and they need it intravenously.

      The effective oral dose seems to vary widely. If there are no side effects (like aggression) try a higher dose for a few days.

      People who end up on I/V leucovorin might want to go dairy free for a while to test the hypothesis that the folate receptor antibodies are coming from the milk.

      Bumetanide takes the longest to show effect. I suggest you try 1mg once a day for a month. In people with severe autism and are responders some changes in behavior would be expected after 2 weeks. It can come earlier or a bit later, hence the 1 month.

      Any kind of potassium will do.

      Read the link I sent you that has detailed guide to bumetanide for autism, written by a doctor.

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    2. Hi Peter, thank you 🙏.
      Yes, I have read the literature on bumetanide. Having googled on how to obtain this, this seems to be a prescription medication here in the UK? With leucovorin I have had to order it from France, would this be the same with getting hold of bumetanide?

      I am already giving NAC 600mg daily. C is 18.5 kg. Does this dosage sound correct?

      Thank you

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    3. Yes, it is a prescription medicine so you will have to be resourceful to obtain it. Most effective autism drugs are prescription medicines.

      NAC has a short half life and so you need to take it 3 times a day. There is NAC Sustain which is great, but the tablets are very large. NAC degrades very quickly so your 600mg of NAC is actually much less. When my son was young we used up to 3,000mg a day. The benefit was clear as day. Trials at Stanford also used high doses.

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    4. Thank you. I will give this dosage a go.

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    5. Hi Peter, I am now giving NAC 600mg twice a day (before + after school). What positive effects should I be looking out for ? Should I keep this dosage or increase.

      I am been trying to source bumetanide without any success. Local GP and NHS paediatrician have said they can’t prescribed despite showing them research. I tried Spanish online pharmacies however they can’t ship and although it is otc; it has to be purchased in person otc.

      Would it be possible to ask here on how others have managed to source this?

      I have recently started to also give 2mg periactin for weight gain (very very limited food intake) and have noticed slight increase in volume but not range. I’ve not notice as yet any more gains in speech; but some hyperactivity just before bedtime.

      Steph

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    6. Steph, I got bumetanide from a swiss international pharmacy. I sent them an email and they did request a prescription (which I got from an online prescrition site, told them I need it for weight loss). Then they shipped it really fast using FedEx.

      I hope this helps.

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    7. Steph, you have options. You or a friend/relative can buy it in person at the genuine low cost of about £2 in much of Spain, or Egypt or Serbia or Mexico. You can pay to consult an autism doctor abroad like Dr Antonucci in Italy (you can Google him) or and get him to source it. You can buy online at 10x the price from an online pharmacy in Mexico, where it is called Miccil.

      Most people with autism have oxidative stress which can contribute to anxiety, stereotypy and even self injury. NAC counters the oxidative stress. If there is no clear benefit you would normally stop an intervention, but it is almost guaranteed that your child has oxidative stress so you might choose to continue regardless. You can actually measure oxidative stress but I doubt your doctor is going to help you in this regard.

      Paying a doctor abroad is not going to be cheap, but many readers of this blog are paying to see such doctors.

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    8. Steph, once you have a UK private prescription you can buy bumetanide at your local pharmacy.

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    9. Hi Peter, thank you 🙏. I will try again to see if I can get a prescription in the UK. This currently seems to be my brick wall.

      With NAC, I am giving capsules at the moment. I would like to try the slow release jarrow ones. Can I grind this and mix with yogurt etc? C is unable to swallow tablets so everything is capsules opened and placed in food.
      To target oxidative stress, should I stack this with another antioxidant or just this is enough?

      Can I also ask in here is long term use of periactin ( for very picky eating) is ok? Or should I be cycling?

      Thank you as always

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    10. Steph, if you grind up a slow release tablet it becomes an immediate release powder. NAC looks like the best antioxidant for most people.

      It looks like Periactin is usually used for 2 to 3 months to increase appetite and then hopefully the child has got used to eating more. It is normally used with behavioural interventions to increase eating.

      I don't think you will get a prescription for Bumetanide in the UK if you say it is to treat a child with autism. Gus used a different approach.

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    11. Hi Peter, so tried with a private GP for a prescription using Gus’ approach. Still the response is a no as ‘they have nice guidelines to follow’. Maybe I have not been resourceful enough…

      So my next port of call would be an autism doctor.
      Would you know if the doctor who coauthored the bumetanide article, offer consultations ?

      Gus- thank you for the suggestion; I had missed your comment previously.

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    12. In the UK there are now online prescription services where people are getting things the GP will not prescribe. They only make money if they prescribe.

      One person told me they went to France to see Dr Lemonier. I think he is really only for Bumetanide. Dr Antonucci is likely open to all plausible therapies including expensive things like stem cells.

      You do have to be resourceful if you want to do battle with autism. The UK is about the hardest place to do this.

      You could contact Thinking Autism in the UK.

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    13. Any EU prescription works with the swiss international pharmacy. Just google online prescription (I don't want to mention the speficic site here) and you will get one for about 20-25 euros. I got mine after an online appointment with one of their eu-based doctors. He just asked me if I ever faced a problem with my liver.
      Once you have the prescription, check if it is even valid UK local pharmacies (for sure it was be before the brexit). The only downside of the swiss pharmacy was the cost for me.

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    14. Here you go.

      https://www.bestprice4you.org/products/100c-Miccil-Water-Pills-Relieve-Fluid-Retention-Edema-Swelling-Excess-Salt-Detox-p413853744

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  10. Hello Peter,

    Thank you for providing all the information. I’m curious to understand which specific symptoms would indicate a focus on either PAK1 inhibition or Wnt inhibition.
    Have you explored PANS/PANDAS, and do you believe it is a valid condition? In my country, many doctors refuse to acknowledge its existence. Thankfully, we’ve found integrative doctors who recognize and treat it. My son undoubtedly has PANS/PANDAS, as we’ve witnessed several episodes where he becomes a completely different child—obsessive about certain things, aggressive, or crying for hours over minor issues, which is entirely out of character.
    A single dose of azithromycin starts to improve his behavior and in a few days he is back to himself. He is sensitive to penicillin-based antibiotics, which cause itching and escalate his behavior, likely due to increased inflammation. We discovered this when he was prescribed penicillin for 10 days, during which his itching and behavioral issues became unmanageable.
    He is currently on a few anti-inflammatory supplements, but it would be ideal to find alternatives to antibiotics, as probiotics tend to cause more harm than good in his case.
    Thank you
    Mandy

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    1. Mandy, Wnt signalling is a basic biological process that affects all parts of your body. As we get older it reduces and can lead to age-related conditions like hair greying, osteoporosis and many more.

      During early life Wnt signalling plays a key role in how the brain develops and how dendritic spines grow and then synapses are formed. This process continues as we age, but is most critical in childhood through adolescence.

      Autism is thought to feature either too much or too little Wnt signalling. Big heads with big brains tend to have overly dense dentritic spines and over connectivity. This would suggest too much Wnt signalling.

      One clear symptom of a problems with Wnt signalling is having an autism diagnosis !!

      For a simple explanation it is best to refer to my book rather than the blog. The blog is over 10 years of postings, while the book was written all at once and is much less complex.

      Subjects like PANS are all indexed in the blog. On the web version (iPads, PCs, laptops etc) the index is on the far right. It says 9 posts are tagged with “PANS”.

      Many people have a penicillin allergy and itching is a common sign. You should always report drug side effects to your doctor so it is not prescribed next time. It will be added to the child’s medical records, hopefully this has been done. Erythromycin is common alternative, depending on the nature of the infection.

      In susceptible people PANS can reoccur from time to time and early treatment is key. In our case a short course of Prednisone always worked. The issue is what the trigger is and whether an antibiotic is needed. In our case it was not needed. If a single dose of azithromycin solves the problem, I would stick with that. Some people take azithromycin for long periods due its anti-inflammatory effects.

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