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Tuesday, 14 January 2025

Out with the old and in with the new? Maybe for iPhones but not for Autism therapies

 


It is important to move with the times, but it is equally important to realize that some old ideas remain better than some new ideas.

I was both pleased and surprised that my new car came with a full sized spare wheel in the boot/trunk. Where we live you can expect at least one puncture a year. In theory you do not need a spare wheel because cars rarely have punctures and you can carry an aerosol spray that will temporarily inflate the tire and fill a small hole. Some cars have skinny space-saver spare wheels. Neither of these is actually a good alternative.  


Old vs new autism therapies

People definitely are interested in new and “cutting edge” therapies for autism.

I was recently contacted again by a reader of this blog who has been struggling to control self injurious behaviors in her child for years. I have provided many ideas that have each worked a sub-group of those with SIB. One idea I had not yet suggested was Memantine/Namenda.

Memantine is a cheap, old, and not very effective Alzheimer’s drug.

It blocks NMDA receptors in the brain to prevent excessive stimulation by glutamate. It does actually have many other modes of action.

It has weak inhibitory effects on L-type calcium channels that add to its neuroprotective profile. This secondary mechanism helps regulate calcium influx, protect neurons from excitotoxicity, and mitigate oxidative stress, making it beneficial for managing various neurodegenerative and excitotoxic conditions.

Memantine has mild inhibitory effects on AMPA receptors, reducing overall excitotoxicity.

Memantine may block certain sodium ion channels, which can reduce neuronal excitability and help prevent excitotoxicity.

Memantine has been found to interact with serotonin (5-HT3) receptors, modulating their activity, which might contribute to cognitive and mood improvements.

Memantine reduces microglial activation, which is associated with neuroinflammation. This anti-inflammatory action can protect against secondary neuronal damage in neurodegenerative conditions.

By preventing excessive calcium influx through NMDA receptors, memantine reduces the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS), protecting neurons from oxidative damage.

Memantine's ability to stabilize calcium homeostasis helps maintain mitochondrial function, reducing energy deficits and apoptosis (programmed cell death).

Memantine may enhance synaptic plasticity by reducing pathological over activation of glutamate receptors. This improves synaptic connectivity and cognitive function.

Some studies suggest that memantine may partially activate or modulate nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which are important for attention and memory.

Memantine may increase brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) levels, promoting neuronal survival and plasticity.


Memantine as a treatment for SIB in some, but a cause of it in others

It is clear from the above summary of Memantine’s modes of action that it should indeed be effective for some people’s SIB (self injurious behavior). Unfortunately, all these changes in the excitatory-inhibitory balance can cause problems in some other people where Memantine actually causes SIB.


Too much glutamate can be very damaging

Glutamate excitotoxicity refers to the pathological process in which excessive activation of glutamate receptors, particularly NMDA and AMPA receptors, leads to over-excitation of neurons. This over-excitation can result in cellular dysfunction, oxidative stress, and ultimately neuron death. It is a common mechanism underlying many neurological and neurodegenerative conditions.

NMDA and AMPA receptors, over activated by the high levels of glutamate, trigger a massive influx of calcium (Ca²⁺) ions into neurons.

High intracellular Ca²⁺ levels disrupt cellular homeostasis. It activates enzymes that damage cellular structures it causes oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction and eventually cell death.


Elevated intracellular Ca²⁺ from allergy causing elevated glutamate and SIB

As we know from this blog, some SIB is triggered by allergy. You can halt it via treating the allergy, blocking the L-type calcium channels or targeting other inflammatory pathways.

In this allergy-driven self injurious behavior (SIB), glutamate is likely a significant downstream effector. Allergic reactions and inflammation can disrupt calcium homeostasis and activate pathways that increase glutamate signaling, leading to heightened excitotoxicity and contributing to behaviors such as SIB.

Allergic reactions significantly impact calcium homeostasis, primarily through the activation of immune cells, release of inflammatory mediators, and systemic effects on calcium metabolism. These disruptions contribute to the symptoms and complications of allergic diseases and highlight potential therapeutic targets to restore calcium balance.

When allergens bind to IgE on mast cells or basophils, they activate receptors that trigger intracellular calcium release from the endoplasmic reticulum (via IP3 signaling). Recall Prof Gargus proposed IP3 signaling as a nexus point in autism.

Is dysregulated IP3R calcium signaling a nexus where genes altered in ASD converge to exert their deleterious effect?

This calcium influx promotes the degranulation of histamine, serotonin, and other inflammatory mediators.

Abnormal calcium levels may trigger unregulated, spontaneous release of glutamate, even in the absence of an action potential.

Elevated calcium levels can impair the function of glutamate transporters (e.g., EAATs), responsible for clearing excess glutamate from the synaptic cleft.

Dysfunctional transporters exacerbate extracellular glutamate accumulation, amplifying excitotoxicity.


Memantine in broader autism

Memantine was extensively studied in a large clinical trial in autism that concluded that it was no better than a placebo.

You might well conclude that the matter should end there.


Memantine for Aspies

While looking for information about Memantine for SIB I came across some very positive reviews from Aspies.

If you believed social media you would think that people with level 1 autism are all anti-treatment and see autism as their superpower. In fact the majority of people contacting me about treating autism are actually those with level 1 autism and their parents.

I am really much more familiar with treatments for level 3 autism.

The symptoms may be slightly different, but the potential therapies are exactly the same.

 

https://www.drugs.com/comments/memantine/for-autism.html


"A life saver. I have autism. It is pretty bad autism. I saw help on day one. But it isn't a fix-it-all for me. Being able to understand nonverbal communication and verbal communication is huge improvements. This helps me with social interaction. This helps me with anxiety. Helps my expressive myself and respond better. Less meltdowns. Helps my cognitive functions. Helps me think. Helps my thought issue due to my autism and auditory processing disorder. Helps me slow down my mind to pay attention more and can respond to changes and sensory problems. Not a full fix for me but huge help. I am more polite. I can talk about others' interests not just my needs or wants or questions that I had trouble asking. Better behavior." 

"I was first prescribed this for Asperger's syndrome at the age of 24. I've been on numerous types of medications since I was a teenager, but this is the first one that I've been on that has significantly helped. My quality of life is much better. I don't have as many ruminating, obsessive thoughts that make me miserable." 

"I take 20 mg of memantine for my slight autism! And this has been a miracle drug! It helps me in social interactions, I can recognize social cues and skills that I couldn't before! It also helps with my obsessive and aggressive problems! Thank you to whoever made this drug." 

"I take 10 mg twice daily for autism spectrum disorder. It stops the intrusive thoughts, rumination, and repetitive thinking, which is a godsend. It also reduces repetitive behavior/stereotypes. I haven't noticed any side effects, maybe a little brain fog, but that has disappeared with continued use."

"Memantine has helped my social anxiety greatly, not through direct anxiolysis, but indirectly through dissociation from reality, albeit mild. It works perfectly for sensory overload as the autistic brain does not filter out unnecessary external stimuli due to NMDAR current blockade, similar to endogenous magnesium. Amazing, wonderful."

 

Conclusion

Don’t ignore all the therapies from the last 50 years and jump to the latest expensive therapy that is trending. You may after all find one of the oldies like Propranol, Pentoxifylline, Zoloft, Baclofen or Memantine is your Gamechanger. They each worked for some people.

Even though it failed in its phase 3 clinical trial, Memantine continues to have its believers. It is a cheap safe drug that clearly does provide a benefit to a sub group of autism that includes all levels of severity. It clearly does not work for all Aspies, but it certainly is worth trialing.

I think understanding glutamate excitotoxicity is very useful if you are trying to figure out a case of self injurious behavior.

In individuals where the GABA developmental switch has not occurred, oral GABA supplementation could potentially exacerbate glutamate excitotoxicity and trigger/worsen self injurious behavior. These are the people who react badly to benzodiazepine drugs and should respond very well to bumetanide.



13 comments:

  1. Hi Peter, I have a new hypothesis why bumetanide works. The microbiome metabolite p-cresol activates epidermal growth factor receptor. In turn, causing damage to the BBB. If you block EGFR you stop the damage by the p-cresol.

    Cerebrovascular damage caused by the gut microbe/host co-metabolite p-cresol sulfate is prevented by blockade of the EGF receptor

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39582109/

    To test whether insulin-induced hepatocyte swelling mediates EGFR activation, experiments with bumetanide (5 μmol/liter), a known inhibitor of the Na+/K+/2Cl− co-transporter (38) and of insulin-induced hepatocyte swelling (13, 35), were performed. As shown in Fig. 3, both insulin-induced EGFR phosphorylation (Fig. 3A) as well as ERK and p38MAPK activation were largely abolished in presence of bumetanide (Fig. 3B, p < 0.05).

    Insulin Induces Swelling-dependent Activation of the Epidermal Growth Factor Receptor in Rat Liver*

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2923979/

    Just a thought...

    -Stephen

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    1. Stephen, that's another good reason for people to make a trial of Bumetanide.

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    2. This too.

      Our findings showed that midazolam blunted the activation of EGFR/MEK/ERK signaling. In cell experiment, EGF stimulation antagonized midazolam-mediated EGFR inhibition and phenotypically promoted the aggressivenes of NSCLC cells. Therefore, midazolam may inhibit the development of NSCLC by inactivating EGFR/MEK/ERK pathway.

      This too.

      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10251164/#:~:text=Our%20findings%20showed%20that%20midazolam,suppression%20should%20also%20be%20studied.

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  2. Peter, have you ever heard of asd pts getting better on phenobarbital?

    Phenobarbital Indirectly Activates the Constitutive Active Androstane Receptor (CAR) by Inhibition of Epidermal Growth Factor Receptor Signaling

    Molecular simulation predicted that phenobarbital and EGF share binding sites on EGFR. Together, the findings indicate that phenobarbital stimulates the nuclear activity of CAR by inhibiting the activity of EGFR at the cell surface.

    https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/scisignal.2003705

    Just curious.

    -Stephen

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  3. I also found this interesting. Guess p-cresol causes a problem with NAC.

    Bacterially derived p-cresol competes for sulfation with phenolic drugs, including acetaminophen; therefore, individuals with high levels of p-cresol will have less efficient capacity to metabolize acetaminophen through the sulfation pathway. Most importantly, competition for limited sulfur pools will affect other pathways, such as glutathione production. Elevated excretion of p-cresol sulfate was accompanied by a reduced production of N-acetylcysteinyl conjugates of acetaminophen suggesting an impaired ability to detoxify APAP reactive metabolites. Thus, individuals with a gut microbiome high in p-cresol-producing bacteria and ingesting a diet low in sulfur-containing amino acids may be more prone to acetaminophen toxicity; whereas those exposed to the same doses of the drug but having low p-cresol content in the gut may not experience the same adverse reactions to acetaminophen

    N-acetylcysteine for treatment of autism, a case report

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3698662/

    -Stephen

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    1. Stephen, I think that may mean that if you have high p-cresol you will need a high dose of NAC to show a benefit.

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    2. Bingo, I would expect three times a day would work best.

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    3. Peter, my friend corrected me on NAC. Please see below for additional information.

      N-Acetyl Cysteine is helpful as it is the most bioavailable version of cysteine, the rate limiting ingredient in glutathione synthesis. The gamma glutamyl cycle is the process by which we synthesize new glutathione, which is the main antioxidant in the body. 90% of glutathione is recycled within the cell, however, when it is used as a xenobiotic antioxidant, it is permanently removed from the body.

      In children under age of 6 the predominant detoxification pathway is sulfation, and both acetaminophen and p-cresol compete for sulfate. If sulfate is unavailable, glutathione is used to rid the body of phenolic compounds.

      See below for the structural similarities of acetaminophen and p-cresol as they traverse the body.

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bu4NQ0bSmM4l8D2eEXd1mK0UenEQ87z9/view?usp=sharing

      -Stephen

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  4. Hi Peter - found this scientific study "Case Study: Rapid Complete Recovery From An Autism Spectrum Disorder After Treatment of Aspergillus With The Antifungal Drugs Itraconazole And Sporanox"

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7572136/

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    1. Thanks, I am familiar with that case history. It just goes to show many unrelated things can lead to an autism diagnosis. Some are entirely treatable. I like the case history of the little boy in Crete whose severe autism disappeared when given a biotin supplement and reappears if he does not take it.

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    2. Yes, I like both those case studies.

      Just for some information on the itraconazole/aspergillius case study.

      The fungus Aspergillus fumigatus ATCC 28282 was shown to grow on p-cresol as its sole source of carbon and energy.

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7420925_Metabolism_of_p-Cresol_by_the_Fungus_Aspergillus_fumigatus#full-text

      On the other hand, the fungus-like Aspergillus fumigatus degrades p-cresol via the ortho-hydroxylation pathway and yields catechol or undergoes para-hydroxylation to generate hydroquinone (Duan et al., 2018)

      Hard to have a fungus grow without a food source...

      EGFR is the site P-cresol works on to disrupt the BBB.

      Repurposed itraconazole for use in the treatment of malignancies as a promising therapeutic strategy - ScienceDirect

      In addition, by molecular docking simulation, itraconazole was identified to directly bind to and act as an inhibitor of core 1 β1,3-galactosyltransferase (C1GALT1) through promoting proteasome degradation of the later one. C1GALT1, which is often overexpressed in various human malignancies and controls the crucial step of GalNAc-type O-glycosylation [59]. Itraconazole blocked the extension of O-glycan elongation of epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) by down-regulating C1GALT1, which could reduce the binding affinity of epidermal growth factor (EGF) to its receptor, EGFR and subsequentially inhibit EGFR signaling, thereby suppressing the malignant phenotype [60].

      Back again to EGFR.

      -Stephen

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    3. Maybe an idea for your blog would be to compile a simple one page check list of things to try. I appreciate you have done in the form of the regular posts it just might make it simpler to go through, with simple links to your old posts, for more details for that particular thing, just a thought.

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    4. Thanks for the suggestion. For a simple all in one overview I wrote an easy to read book, with everything indexed. It is much easier than reading 12 years of blog posts.

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