In the TikTok/Instagram world where many people live these days, everything is kept very simple. The real world is becoming the alternative reality.
Over the years, many people have sent me their genetic testing results. Nowadays we have moved on to whole genome sequencing (WGS), which generates vast amounts of data and is pretty much as good as it gets. Vast amounts of data brings with it the problem of how to filter through it and not miss something critical.
I have written many times that parents who have had genetic testing carried out on their child should ask for the full list of mutations, not just those on the lab’s list for autism. In the case of whole exome sequencing (WES), this could produce a list of 10 to 30 mutations, which might well include an ion channel, or a similar variant, that is actually relevant to autism.
More and more
parents are doing this or even repeating the WGS elsewhere and then getting a very
different interpretation, with a likely causal gene identified.
“We did
genetic testing and it came back clear!”
I am sorry
to disappoint the TikTokers, but nobody’s WGS results can come back clear.
What is whole
genome sequencing (WGS)?
Scientists have put together a reference genome, based on the results of many different real people.
In WGS,
blood or saliva is used to sequence the entire genome of the patient, and then
it is automatically compared to the reference genome. Tens of thousands to
millions of variants will be identified. They all end up in the VCF (Variant
Call Format) file.
The VCF (Variant
call format) file
The VCF file
is generated by special software. It contains details about the genetic variants.
Annotated
VCF file
More
automation then looks up each of the detected variants to see if they are
already listed in databases, as being known to cause problems. If the variant
has not been listed in these databases, it will not be highlighted.
These days
most labs will provide the annotated VCF file and it can be huge.
The role
of the geneticist or ChatGPT
The
geneticist is then supposed to take the annotated
VCF file and filter the results based on the clinical condition of the patient.
Results are
categorized as:
· Pathogenic
· Likely pathogenic
· Variant of uncertain significance
· Likely benign
· Benign
In theory, the
geneticist’s job is to translate the vast and complex information from genetic
tests into actionable insights for diagnosis, treatment, and genetic
counselling, ensuring both precision and empathy in patient care.
He/she
should check whether the identified variant explains the patient's specific
symptoms (e.g., developmental delay, speech impairment, intellectual
disability).
If multiple
variants are identified, consider whether they might interact.
Some
individuals may have only one variant, while others may carry several genetic
changes that contribute to their condition.
How come
there are so many apparently sloppy geneticists?
Doctors like to deal with certainties and the geneticist has to avoid diagnosing a gene as causal, when there is a chance it actually is not. They also know that there are almost no genes related to autism that they can treat. There is no incentive a take a stab at causality, when they know they cannot offer any follow-on treatment. Contrast that with the parent's perspective looking for any clues.
Genetics is
actually all about probabilities, much more than certainties. So, if you have 3
mutations that are each individually “survivable”, the combination might be
causal.
Here is an
example:
Imagine a
scenario where:
- Mutation 1: Causes a minor
disruption in protein folding (survivable).
- Mutation 2: Impairs a metabolic
enzyme function (survivable).
- Mutation 3: Affects a signaling
pathway that slightly reduces cellular repair efficiency (survivable).
Each of
these mutations, on their own, may not lead to a disease. However, when
combined, these disruptions might overwhelm cellular systems and cause a disease
phenotype (for example, a neurodegenerative condition), as the cumulative
effect of these disruptions could impair essential cellular functions beyond a
survivable threshold.
Not enough people with autism submit WGS data
I would
think you need to have the WGS data from at least a million people with an autism diagnosis, from
mild to severe, to be pretty sure you have identified the majority of causal
mutations. Many of these causal mutations will actually be combinations of a few different genes - it would get very complicated.
The number of people with autism currently included in the reference databases so far is tiny. It is biased towards
those with profound single-gene autism.
We really
need to know about polygenic autism, which accounts for the vast majority of
cases. Those cases range from profound to trivial.
I think that
if I were in charge, I would tell people that if they want an autism diagnosis,
they need to provide a saliva sample. No sample, no diagnosis. The test can be
anonymous, if people prefer, so there is nothing to fear. At least this would
reduce the waiting time for diagnosis!
TikTok
autism
On social
media you get a lot of self-diagnosed autism, but you also get some Moms/Mums
of kids with profound autism.
I saw one
today who has 3 sons and 1 daughter, all with profound autism. She says it cannot be
genetic, because the geneticist did not find a causal gene. In theory she might be right. Perhaps there
is an environmental explanation, maybe the babies were all exposed to the same
toxic environment (food, water, air, a high voltage power cable over the house …)
More likely,
the geneticist did not do his job. Or, the kids have mutations that have not
yet been added to the list of causal genes. The list grows every day. If she
used a good provider, like GeneDX, and she ticked a box on the form, then they
may come back to her in 5 years’ time and tell her that one of her kids’
mutations is now recognized as causal. This happened to one reader of this
blog.
My tip would
be to ask for the Annotated VCF file and get ChatGPT to analyse it for anything
that might explain profound autism.
It looks
like any computer-savvy middle-aged person can do this; no prior experience
needed!
Conclusion
I was
pleasantly surprised to hear from several readers recently who followed my
suggestion to dig deeper into the results of their child’s genetic testing.
They all found something valuable, hidden away. Perhaps you wouldn’t contact
Peter if you didn’t find something of use!
To analyze
genetic data effectively, you will need the paid version ChatGPT Plus (GPT-4).
While it is powerful, it does have processing limits. For example, processing a
large VCF file requires breaking it into smaller, manageable parts.
Fortunately, ChatGPT can guide you through this process.
If you were
doing this as a professional service, you would be better off using GPT-4 via
API. This tool, created by the same company, is designed for heavy data
processing rather than conversational interaction.
When it comes to genetic forms of autism with approved drug therapies, there seem to be only two:
· Tuberous Sclerosis Complex (TSC1 or TSC2 Mutation): Treated with Everolimus (Afinitor) in the US, Canada, EU, UK, and Australia.
·
Rett
Syndrome (MECP2 Mutation): Treated with Trofinetide (Daybue) in the US and
Canada if you have the money.
This highlights why geneticists focus on diagnosis rather than treatment.
Unofficially, the possibilities for treatment are extensive, limited only by creativity and emerging research. Here again, ChatGPT can do much of the work for you.
P.S. TikTok, Instagram and Facebook can be fun, but for something factual, better stick to ChatGPT or similar services.
P.P.S. I do not have shares in OpenAI, who own ChatGPT
Peter and all
ReplyDeleteThis is a wonderful and poignant post. Sequencing is cheaper and more readily available than ever and my recommendation to all "autism parents" is to get it done separate of the neurologist or other md who is encouraging it. All to often we find these doctors generally tell parents genetic testing should be done in one breath and then in the other that the results will not help in "treating" their child's condition. Even the "autism specific" geneticists are sadly more about collecting data, future studies, or winning awards than treating the child providing the genetic material. Gene sequencing is a powerful tool that can help when following the science, but as Peter highlights it will require YOU to explore and try what makes sense. One independent testing site which offers its own built in AI for exploring the full genome is sequencing.com. They are reasonably priced and the AI is very easy to use. I'd suggest them to anyone interested.
Best of luck to all!
Dear Peter, A really wonderful post that really explains WES and WGS so well and it can really worry so many parents . Many thanks Meera
ReplyDeleteHi Peter,can you please recommend me name of the test i should do,and where(please write laboratory if its not problem).im in EU.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
Merhaba Peter. West testi sonucunda Cacna2d3 gen mutasyonu var oglumun ve senin sayende chatgpt uygulamasını öğrendim ve derinlemesine oğlumun varyantını araştırdım. Cacna2d3 geninin
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Reseptörleri düzenlemek için çıkan takviye ve ilaclar. Şimdi biliyorum. Oğlumun mutasyonun hangi reseptörleri bozdugunu. Sen olsan bu reseptörlere nasıl müdahale ederdin. Şimdiden teşekkürler. Not. Bu ilaç ve takviyelerin etkileşimine baktım. Sorunsuz
In defense of geneticists, it's not that easy to diagnose someone who has a pathologic mutation in the 98% (previously considered) "junk" DNA. The main reason here is that we still don't know much of it's function.
ReplyDeleteEven at the past Undiagnosed hackathon 2024, with almost 100 participating experts, only 4 (possibly up to 8) of 10 patients got a diagnosis. Motivation was probably not the issue!
/Ling
Ling, my takeaway from this is that lay parents should not assume the geneticist has left no stone unturned when filtering through their child's WES or WGS results. With the help of AI they are free to spend hours going through the data themselves and see what they can find.
DeleteYou would have throught there would be nothing left to find and yet quite often there is. That is not a good situation, but once you aware you can adapt to this reality.